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Question: Stolen?
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Author Topic: Which of these elections were stolen?  (Read 12472 times)
Nym90
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« on: November 28, 2011, 06:02:52 PM »

To everybody voting 2000......

You may hate the facts, and maybe the photo-shopping of fake headlines in Michael Moore films has brainwashed you.. but...

The New York Times (essentially the media arm of the Democratic party) spent millions of dollars to recount every single ballot in Florida.. The looked at every single overvote, undervote, illegal vote..

With all their heart and soul they wanted it to be true, but it just wasn't... Bush actually did win Florida...

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html

Acomprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff — filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties — Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.


Um, except the very next few paragraphs, which for some reason you failed to quote, give the rest of the story....

"But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to "count all the votes."

In addition, the review found statistical support for the complaints of many voters, particularly elderly Democrats in Palm Beach County, who said in interviews after the election that confusing ballot designs may have led them to spoil their ballots by voting for more than one candidate.

More than 113,000 voters cast ballots for two or more presidential candidates. Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate. Because there was no clear indication of what the voters intended, those numbers were not included in the consortium's final tabulations."
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Nym90
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 06:18:50 PM »

So, I guess if by "stolen" you mean that the Supreme Court won the election for Bush, then technically it was not stolen; Gore's legal strategy was pretty crappy and thus he still would have lost even if he had gotten the count he wanted.

But the evidence is pretty clear that a statewide manual recount of votes in Florida would have given the victory to Gore. That to me is sufficient to meet the definition of "stolen" as the will of the people of the state was clearly not reflected in the results.
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