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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2011, 11:50:54 PM »

He is trying to connect with them, yes.
He is currently in a position to left of them and regarded with suspicioun, yes.

Is he frantically doing everything possible to make himself 100% in line with the TP, no. He hasn't abandoned his mandate and even treaded into dangerous territory last week, basically undermining the legal suit against Obamacare in the process of defending his own plan, when asked a question abotu it at a townhall or something of that nature. Use of the word "desperately" is extremely misleading and thus you are mischaracterizing via over generalization here.

I now see that for once in a billion times, Limbaugh was right. The instate tuition for illegals has done more harm to Perry, than the HPV nonesense. It is hard to effectively make a case that a guy is corrupt unless you have enough convincing evidence to send him to jail or atleast court, at which point it doesn't matter because they are out of campaign. Yea, the mandate aspect conflicts with the TP dogma, but it's really trivial in nature. Just one more thing weighing down the camel. Alone, it is nothing without the corruption aspect of it. Supporting In-state tuition for illegals and then saying to oppose it is immorall, that drives a wedge right between Perry and his base. Cleaves it like a sharp knife.

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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2011, 02:24:32 AM »

He is trying to connect with them, yes.
He is currently in a position to left of them and regarded with suspicioun, yes.


Is he frantically doing everything possible to make himself 100% in line with the TP, no. He hasn't abandoned his mandate and even treaded into dangerous territory last week, basically undermining the legal suit against Obamacare in the process of defending his own plan, when asked a question abotu it at a townhall or something of that nature. Use of the word "desperately" is extremely misleading and thus you are mischaracterizing via over generalization here.

I now see that for once in a billion times, Limbaugh was right. The instate tuition for illegals has done more harm to Perry, than the HPV nonesense. It is hard to effectively make a case that a guy is corrupt unless you have enough convincing evidence to send him to jail or atleast court, at which point it doesn't matter because they are out of campaign. Yea, the mandate aspect conflicts with the TP dogma, but it's really trivial in nature. Just one more thing weighing down the camel. Alone, it is nothing without the corruption aspect of it. Supporting In-state tuition for illegals and then saying to oppose it is immorall, that drives a wedge right between Perry and his base. Cleaves it like a sharp knife.



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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2011, 04:43:06 PM »

I hate to break it to you, but we never disagreed on that. The source of your mischaracterization is described in the second post and deals with your use of the word "desperately" in reference to Romney seeking to connect with the TP. He isn't desperately doing anything. He is methodically taking steps to bring himself in line with the general electorate in a very risky way, even though the primary is still going on. And so far he hasn't done himself any real damage by doing so. If anything Romney is brazenly differentiating himself from the TP where he thinks he can get away with it.


If he were "desperately" seeking to bring himself in line with the TP, would he:

1) Say Global Warming is real and caused by humans?
2) Stand by his individual mandate in MA?
3) Say Obama isn't a Marxist?


Romney has done all of those things and more. If he were frantically working to bring himself in line with the TP out of desperation, as you said, wouldn't convicted flip flopper Mitt Romney just say the mandate was a mistake and that he would not do it again, that AGW is fake and made up by scientists, and that Obama was a marxist anti-colonialist?
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2011, 04:54:43 PM »

The facts just don't back your assertion that Romney is moving too far right in the primary. This is a standard talking point that I have seen before. That Romney will have to destroy his general election chances to get through the primary. However, the actions his campaign have taken haven't followed that predicted path/strategy. He has pursued a strategy of seeking to maintain his electability arguement. Hence why he so aggressively pushed Perry on the ponzi scheme comments even if it would have no effect on the primary, because it served to destroy Perry's parity in national polling with Romney (Perry has gone from performing about 3% worse which can be attributed to name recognition to about 10% worse then Romney, which means he has been caricatured along with Bachmann and Palin as a nutcase). Romney has also sought to show himself as the traditional and sane GOP candidate, in a field of crazies. I am sorry, but this is not a pander to the base primary strategy like he used in 2007, and as such your mischaracterization moves into the territory of bordering on being a complete factual innaccuracy.
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2011, 04:53:09 AM »

So your only problem with the auto bailout is that it was a few months late? How many job losses do you think that led to? Rather than what would have happened if the far right got their way, Yank? I doubt Romney is going to run on a platform supporting Obama's plan, is he? Even if he supposedly did come up with it first?

And if you think Obama did it worse, what exactly did he do that was so wrong? Except for diddly daddling around. We already know he isn't the best leader out there, but at least he didn't let Detroit, Michigan and the surrounding states go into a real depression. That's what most of your party wanted Yank! You cannot deny that.

The bailouts here really did work, as opposed to on Wall Street. Public Private partnerships are the way to go. Your party needs to understand that or they need to go the way of the Federalists, Whigs and the Know nothings.

Pure Laissez faire Capitalism has never worked, never will.

When has pure laissez faire capitalism been implemented? And when has pure anything worked?
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2011, 09:59:49 AM »

Probably never, gustaf. But some people here fantasize about it.
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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2011, 05:04:32 PM »

I hate to break it to you, but we never disagreed on that. The source of your mischaracterization is described in the second post and deals with your use of the word "desperately" in reference to Romney seeking to connect with the TP. He isn't desperately doing anything. He is methodically taking steps to bring himself in line with the general electorate in a very risky way, even though the primary is still going on. And so far he hasn't done himself any real damage by doing so. If anything Romney is brazenly differentiating himself from the TP where he thinks he can get away with it.


If he were "desperately" seeking to bring himself in line with the TP, would he:

1) Say Global Warming is real and caused by humans?
2) Stand by his individual mandate in MA?
3) Say Obama isn't a Marxist?


Romney has done all of those things and more. If he were frantically working to bring himself in line with the TP out of desperation, as you said, wouldn't convicted flip flopper Mitt Romney just say the mandate was a mistake and that he would not do it again, that AGW is fake and made up by scientists, and that Obama was a marxist anti-colonialist?

If you think he is not desperate to lock up the conservative vote, the tea party type, then you are out of touch

Romney gets that, he gets the nomination
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