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Question: If the special election for Senator were today, who would you vote for?
Fmr. AG Junkie (RPP-HI)   -20 (51.3%)
Fmr. AG Kalwejt (JCP-AL)   -17 (43.6%)
Other:   -2 (5.1%)
Undecided   -0 (0%)
None of the Above   -0 (0%)
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« on: September 22, 2011, 07:29:42 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 07:31:10 pm »
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Kal, someone who can work ably with all sides and keeps an open mind.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 01:51:35 am »
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Junkie, someone who can work ably with all sides and keeps an open mind.

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 02:14:38 am »
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 07:26:55 am »
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Kal, someone who can work ably with all sides and keeps an open mind.

Odd.  That doesn't seem to be something you've ever cared about.

I'll be voting for Junkie, because he doesn't harbor mindless grudges.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 07:30:57 am »
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Just a random question: when so-called "mindless grudges" prevented me from doing my job, especially as Senator?

Just check my record.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 07:33:21 am »
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Just a random question: when so-called "mindless grudges" prevented me from doing my job, especially as Senator?

I never said they impact your ability to do your job.  I just said it is causing me to vote for Junkie.

As a rule I don't vote for people who make it a habit to personally attack me.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 07:37:45 am »
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Just a random question: when so-called "mindless grudges" prevented me from doing my job, especially as Senator?

I never said they impact your ability to do your job.  I just said it is causing me to vote for Junkie.

That's your right. Yet, I always thought ability to get things done is far more important, than purely personal sympathies.

During my single term as Senator, I managed to pass several bills and two constitutional amendments, with broad support beyond partisan or ideological lines. My record speaks for itself. For me it's more important than trying to be nice for everyone.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2011, 07:39:35 am »
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That's your right. Yet, I always thought ability to get things done is far more important, than purely personal sympathies.

Junkie is a very competent candidate; I'm not voting for a zombie.
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2011, 07:41:50 am »
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That's your right. Yet, I always thought ability to get things done is far more important, than purely personal sympathies.

Junkie is a very competent candidate; I'm not voting for a zombie.

I never disputed that. And I never expected you to vote for me, since he's much more close to you ideologically than I am. However, you have outlined personal reasons, instead of political ones, which I consider immature.

I'm not intending to quarrel with you in this thread, but if you raise a personal issue, then don't be suprised I'll be ready to answer.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2011, 07:47:39 am »
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 07:50:24 am »
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)

Now, that's a mature political discussion Smiley

I understand that political climate and Junkie's wide appeal to moderate voters puts me in position of an undergod here. But I can assure all of you that I'm not intending to be blind partisan "yes man", if elected.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 03:08:49 pm »
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Kal, someone who can work ably with all sides and keeps an open mind.

I would have thought that would apply to myself as well.  I have tried to work that way always.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 05:51:05 pm »
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I'd rather have both of them in over some of the ones in there now, but between them, Junkie.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 07:34:33 pm »
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Junkie deserves to be given an office. The poor guy has tried time and time again and has proved his worth as a citizen of Atlasia. We can talk a big game about how we're losing people and how we need new people to fill the roles of the old personalities who have retired or become disillusioned with the game in record number, but I would find it highly hypocritical of us all to then turn around and then prevent someone exactly like that from having power.

Junkie will obviously have my vote. He has proven time and time again to have an open mind, to have no interest in attacking basically anyone, to be incredibly interested in reform, and deserves an opportunity to shine.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2011, 09:48:30 am »
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)

Well, I guess with Fuzzy's unfortunate withdrawal in Midwest, "6 JCP seats" argument is no longer valid.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2011, 12:26:55 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2011, 12:31:37 pm »
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)

Well, I guess with Fuzzy's unfortunate withdrawal in Midwest, "6 JCP seats" argument is no longer valid.

What are the chances Fuzzy is replaced by a non-JCP senator being from the Midwest? I would guess not very good.
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)

Well, I guess with Fuzzy's unfortunate withdrawal in Midwest, "6 JCP seats" argument is no longer valid.

What are the chances Fuzzy is replaced by a non-JCP senator being from the Midwest? I would guess not very good.

While Midwest is, without doubts, a solid left-wing region, it's not dominated by JCP in the same regard as Pacific. For example, neither Prime Verin nor Deputy Prime Verin are JCP members.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2011, 01:48:51 pm »
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)

Well, I guess with Fuzzy's unfortunate withdrawal in Midwest, "6 JCP seats" argument is no longer valid.

What are the chances Fuzzy is replaced by a non-JCP senator being from the Midwest? I would guess not very good.

While Midwest is, without doubts, a solid left-wing region, it's not dominated by JCP in the same regard as Pacific. For example, neither Prime Verin nor Deputy Prime Verin are JCP members.

The odds are still very high that it will be a JCP Senator, after all. But yes, you are technically right. If the Atlasian people elect you as an at-large Senator, you won't be the 6th JCP Senator. You would be the 5th Senator from that party.

Yet again, the question to voters not affiliated with any of the major two parties is: Do you want to give the JCP at least 5 (and, depending on who will replace Senator Fuzzy, even 6 seats at a later point in time), which still is a supermajority because the Vice President is from the very same party? Or do you prefer a more balanced Senate with Junkie as your new Senator? It's all up to you.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2011, 02:24:26 pm »
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)

Well, I guess with Fuzzy's unfortunate withdrawal in Midwest, "6 JCP seats" argument is no longer valid.

What are the chances Fuzzy is replaced by a non-JCP senator being from the Midwest? I would guess not very good.

While Midwest is, without doubts, a solid left-wing region, it's not dominated by JCP in the same regard as Pacific. For example, neither Prime Verin nor Deputy Prime Verin are JCP members.

The odds are still very high that it will be a JCP Senator, after all. But yes, you are technically right. If the Atlasian people elect you as an at-large Senator, you won't be the 6th JCP Senator. You would be the 5th Senator from that party.

Yet again, the question to voters not affiliated with any of the major two parties is: Do you want to give the JCP at least 5 (and, depending on who will replace Senator Fuzzy, even 6 seats at a later point in time), which still is a supermajority because the Vice President is from the very same party? Or do you prefer a more balanced Senate with Junkie as your new Senator? It's all up to you.

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Obviously, since for some reason no one criticized neither my record nor my qualifications, it's  party affiliation that became an original sin. If you guys think I'm going to be a blind partisan vote, I'm rejecting this logic. In fact, I have long history of pissing off JCP leaders with my history of switches and jumping in new initiatives.

The prime reason I lost narrowly during August 2010 Senate at-large election was that several JCP-ers did not vote for me, while I gained a significant support among moderate and centre-right voters, higher, btw, than my two ticket-mates: BK and Badger.

Well, I guess that's telling something.

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2011, 02:48:26 pm »
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Your party affiliation is neither a "sin" nor do I criticize your party's attempt to gain a majority in the Senate. In fact, that's a natural thing to do for a political party if such an opportunity arises. Furthermore, as I stated in this thread I believe you would make an active Senator with ideas that are worthwhile to debate (and so would Junkie, by the way).
I merely pointed at the fact that your election would put the JCP in an even stronger position (and though you have a somewhat independent streak, your party affiliation still shows you have many things in common with the other guys in the JCP) and raised the question whether independent voters, who are crucial in such a close election, would want to have such a situation in the Senate when they can also vote for another very qualified and more centrist candidate like Junkie.
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2011, 10:26:04 pm »
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Kal, I actually do consider you one of the more reasonable JCP members--and one I would consider voting for under the right circumstances. I wish you the best of luck.

This election is one where both parties clearly wanted to win by nominating very good candidates. All things being equal, I will vote for my own party. Not as a zombie (Heck, the RPP is getting some amount of headache from me voting against its candidates Tongue), but when I see a good candidate on my side of the aisle I will vote for him. As for the JCP, I will consider voting for its members on an individual basis but to be honest I even find your party's name a bit offensive. Any election where the JCP gets my vote is probably going to be pretty close to unanimous.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2011, 01:35:44 am »
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The question moderate voters who are still somewhat undecided should ask themselves is the following:

You have the choice between two dedicated Atlasians. Both of them would certainly be active Senators. But do you want to make a step in the direction of a more balanced Senate or a Senate that is completely dominated by the JCP? At the moment, the JCP has 5 seats in the Senate. If you elect Kalwejt, the party will have 6 of the 10 seats and will be in absolute control. If you elect Junkie, the Senate will be more balanced, and Senate debates and final votes will be much more interesting. The latter, I am convinced, would be better for Atlasia.

(I'm an RPP party member, so I'm naturally biased. So much for transparency. Tongue)

Well, I guess with Fuzzy's unfortunate withdrawal in Midwest, "6 JCP seats" argument is no longer valid.

Was the entire month of October booted off the Calendar or something? Whoever wins in the MW won't take office till November. Whoever win this, takes office immediately.
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2011, 10:31:56 am »
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