SENATE BILL: Traffic Enforcement Act of 2011 (signed into law)
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« on: September 23, 2011, 01:12:57 AM »
« edited: September 28, 2011, 08:41:41 PM by bgwah »

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 03:50:27 AM »

I urge everyone to support this bill.  Cameras shouldn't be enforcing our traffic laws for obvious reasons... and cops shouldn't be hiding behind the bushes in order to catch you.

With the technology that police officers have today at their disposal, they should have no problem detecting speeders while remaining fully visible.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 09:43:21 AM »

I agree with the bill's premise. My hometown began putting these radar guns in the trees and mailing tickets to violators. It is a real gotcha type thing which I hate more than anything. My only concern would be the extreme penalty given to people using them, but I don't have any viable alternatives at the moment.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 09:05:14 PM »

I agree with the bill's premise. My hometown began putting these radar guns in the trees and mailing tickets to violators. It is a real gotcha type thing which I hate more than anything. My only concern would be the extreme penalty given to people using them, but I don't have any viable alternatives at the moment.
We are blessed in Minnesota that such devices were ruled unconstitutional.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 05:28:21 PM »

Would it be constitutional to also prohibit regional/state/local governments from doing this on federal highways?
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 06:54:13 PM »

Would it be constitutional to also prohibit regional/state/local governments from doing this on federal highways?
Section 2 deals with that.  If they want to continue enforcing laws in such a way on federal highways or any other highways for that matter, they will forfeit their transportation funding.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 08:18:11 PM »

Would it be constitutional to also prohibit regional/state/local governments from doing this on federal highways?
Section 2 deals with that.  If they want to continue enforcing laws in such a way on federal highways or any other highways for that matter, they will forfeit their transportation funding.



D'oh, of course. It's easy to miss things when I'm posting from my phone.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 02:06:21 AM »

I am bringing this bill to a final vote. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.



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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 03:41:21 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2011, 08:28:05 AM »

Aye Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2011, 11:10:04 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 04:13:58 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2011, 04:36:26 PM »

This has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2011, 08:02:53 PM »

Not that it matters, but aye.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2011, 12:06:28 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2011, 09:37:18 PM »

This bill has passed 7-0, with 2 non-voting  abstentions.

It is now presented to the President for his signature.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2011, 02:12:33 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2011, 06:44:15 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2011, 07:58:49 AM »
« Edited: October 06, 2011, 07:36:15 AM by Badger »

I don't like camaras used as an "automatic" enforcemnt of speeding or stop lights. We didn't have them in my little burg when I was still doing traffic court, but I think one still has the same right to contest the case and force the government to prove beyond a reasonable of identifying the defendant as the perpetratoir. That means, in addition to the license plate registration record, as most people regularly lend their cars to others, the photo better give a damned solid basis for the judge to deteremine in court it's the defendant. And even then if the defendant claims it was (insert family member or friend here) who looks like Defendant and borrowed the car but wouldn't come to court because they didn't want to get a ticket themselves, there had better be an AMAZING reason to find otherwise.


That said, a limited, well thought out and crafted limit on the use of traffic camaras specifically for such uses may've been appropritate. But no, not here. Do you all realize that, intended or not, this bill prohibits the use of video camaras for enforcing all traffic laws as well? Including dashboard camaras? As in the type used for decades to document field sobriety tests in DUI arrests?!? For that matter, as this basically removes the need t ever use such camaras in traffic stops again, there won't be video footage to protect defedant's rights from abuse either.

Congratulations guys. In an effort to stick it to "the man", without a single dissenting vote you just set backDUI prosecution 30 years and left the field open for the tiny minority of bad cops to wreck havoc on arrested person's

And may suddenly ending that yesterday for a real life case should tell you what work is like to kee me frm posting so much lately. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2011, 01:12:17 PM »

I already introduced a law which will be convenient to remedy this.
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2011, 01:41:56 AM »

Camaras? How 30 Rock! Grin
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