SENATE BILL: 5th Amendment to the Proportional Representation Act (law'd)

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The CID was not responsible for holding JBrase's seat. He got first preferences from the RPP, CID, and remaining Populares. I would consider the CID a small party when you compare them to the JCP or RPP. I don't remember their total, but it wasn't more than 15 or so I believe. I have no idea if they would still be around if they had been allowed to appoint someone to Homely's seat, but I would infer that they would be.

I laid out why the people shouldn't believe this is some bipartisan backup plan. Frankly, bgwah doesn't need this amendment because the JCP can easily hold Snowguy's seat should he win in October. I think he is pursuing it for the right reasons listed above.

[Napoleon]

The CID was not responsible for holding JBrase's seat. He got first preferences from the RPP, CID, and remaining Populares. I would consider the CID a small party when you compare them to the JCP or RPP. I don't remember their ember total, but it wasn't more than 15 or so I believe. I have no idea if they would still be around if they had been allowed to appoint someone to Homely's seat, but I would infer that they would be.

I laid out why the people shouldn't believe this is some bipartisan backup plan. Frankly, bgwah doesn't need this amendment because the JCP can easily hold Snowguy's seat should he win in October. I think he is pursuing it for the right reasons listed above.

The JCP didn't hold Oakvale's seat.

Either way it is totally besides the point. Why should members in small parties receive special treatment?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The CID was not responsible for holding JBrase's seat. He got first preferences from the RPP, CID, and remaining Populares. I would consider the CID a small party when you compare them to the JCP or RPP. I don't remember their ember total, but it wasn't more than 15 or so I believe. I have no idea if they would still be around if they had been allowed to appoint someone to Homely's seat, but I would infer that they would be.

I laid out why the people shouldn't believe this is some bipartisan backup plan. Frankly, bgwah doesn't need this amendment because the JCP can easily hold Snowguy's seat should he win in October. I think he is pursuing it for the right reasons listed above.

The JCP didn't hold Oakvale's seat.

That was an exception to the rule.

At any rate, again, both sides have their arguments, but I believe the current amendment on the table tackles it as well as it can. As I said, if it looks like there is abuse, we can quickly ram through an amendment to stop it.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

In this world where I am elected President, I assume Cincinnatus would take over if I died.

That is why we have a Vice President, no?

You know the difference between presidential/vice presidential and senatorial elections, don't you?

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Anyway, partisan appointments are against Democracy. Period.

[Cincinnatus]

The CID was not responsible for holding JBrase's seat. He got first preferences from the RPP, CID, and remaining Populares. I would consider the CID a small party when you compare them to the JCP or RPP. I don't remember their total, but it wasn't more than 15 or so I believe. I have no idea if they would still be around if they had been allowed to appoint someone to Homely's seat, but I would infer that they would be.

I laid out why the people shouldn't believe this is some bipartisan backup plan. Frankly, bgwah doesn't need this amendment because the JCP can easily hold Snowguy's seat should he win in October. I think he is pursuing it for the right reasons listed above.

The CID collapsed because our two leaders quit (Yelnoc and homely).  Nothing else.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

In this world where I am elected President, I assume Cincinnatus would take over if I died.

That is why we have a Vice President, no?

You know the difference between presidential/vice presidential and senatorial elections, don't you?

Yes, see above.

Anyway, partisan appointments are against Democracy. Period.

Is Atlasia a democracy? I agree the idea is not democratic, and if that is the aim of the bill, it fails miserable. If the aim of this bill is to help the game, then it is okay with me.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I would like a private briefing on this.

My view is that I support, at worst, an internal party vote for vacancies of 20% of the term or less... other than that, it should be a full election.

Any appointments should be made by an elected official, not a party boss.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The way the RPP handles things like this is to appoint someone who fits in ideologically with the person who they are replacing. At least whenever we have discussed it in the past that is what we want to do.

And keep in mind I don't support appointments if we are 20% into the term. This is just for people like homely who resigned immediately. I think it's really inefficient to have an election right after an election has ended.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The way the RPP handles things like this is to appoint someone who fits in ideologically with the person who they are replacing. At least whenever we have discussed it in the past that is what we want to do.

And keep in mind I don't support appointments if we are 20% into the term. This is just for people like homely who resigned immediately. I think it's really inefficient to have an election right after an election has ended.

He meant having an appointed Senator serve longer then 20% of the term which an appoint in this instance would entail.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If this were to pass, I would push for a bylaw in the RPP that vote be held on the choice prior to the choice being officially appointed by the chairman.

Though the 72 hour clause might make that difficult.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

how is this constitutional again?

[bgwah]

Now is not constitutional?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Art I. Sec 4, Clause 5.

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[bgwah]

But it's not a vacancy. It's a concession from a Senator-elect. I think that's different.

[bgwah]

Although interestingly enough, that means the six week thing should probably be clarified, if presumably we can't have a special election unless there are less than three weeks until the next general election. The current law uses six weeks left of it... Hmm, should probably fix this while we're at it.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I understand the skeptics regarding this law, but it would be ridiculous to allow the runner up to assume the office should the duly elected senator concede the election.  Just like the party-appointed senator was not elected, neither is the senator, likely from a different party, who came in 2nd.

We should not have to deal with a senator that not only was not elected, but also goes against the ideological makeup that Atlasians voted for because the winning candidate conceded after he was elected.

I fully support this measure.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

But it's not a vacancy. It's a concession from a Senator-elect. I think that's different.

In that case, the appointment of officepark was not in a vacancy, and so was illegal.

[bgwah]

But it's not a vacancy. It's a concession from a Senator-elect. I think that's different.

In that case, the appointment of officepark was not in a vacancy, and so was illegal.

No. What you cited specifies Class B seats (at-large). The same article you cited says Class A seats (regional) are appointed by the Governor. And we have of course since passed an amendment giving regions more power over how they deal with their vacancies.

[bgwah]

With 5 ayes, 4 nays, and 1 non-voting abstention, the amendment has passed.

[bgwah]

I'm proposing the following amendment to deal with another aspect of the PRA that I thought of thanks to Shua:

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Explanation: This changes very little about the current law. Since the Constitution pretty clearly says special elections are to be held for at-large seats when there are less than three weeks before the next election, I thought we should just update the PRA to say that instead of six weeks before the end of the term. Six weeks is about the same amount of time, but it could probably be five or seven weeks depending on the month.

Thoughts? Questions?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

But it's not a vacancy. It's a concession from a Senator-elect. I think that's different.

In that case, the appointment of officepark was not in a vacancy, and so was illegal.

No. What you cited specifies Class B seats (at-large). The same article you cited says Class A seats (regional) are appointed by the Governor. And we have of course since passed an amendment giving regions more power over how they deal with their vacancies.

If a concession for a Class B Senator-elect does not constitute a vacancy, then a concession for a Class A Senator-elect does not constitute a vacancy either.

[bgwah]

But it's not a vacancy. It's a concession from a Senator-elect. I think that's different.

In that case, the appointment of officepark was not in a vacancy, and so was illegal.

No. What you cited specifies Class B seats (at-large). The same article you cited says Class A seats (regional) are appointed by the Governor. And we have of course since passed an amendment giving regions more power over how they deal with their vacancies.

If a concession for a Class B Senator-elect does not constitute a vacancy, then a concession for a Class A Senator-elect does not constitute a vacancy either.

And as far as I can tell this law has been in place for years... So what's your point?

[bgwah]

Or was your point that tmth conceded his seat, and that the Officepark appointment was illegal?

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Or was your point that tmth conceded his seat, and that the Officepark appointment was illegal?

Tmthforu was elected for Mideast regional seat, declined and Governor appointed his (and tmth's) party colleague. Because law does not provide special election on regional level, then I can't see any legal problem (what else, leave seat vacant for entire term? )

The same situation with Snowguy. When I was elected to the Vice Presidency and Senate, I had to decline my seat, so Governor (Sewer) appointed Snowguy. We all happen to be JCP-ers.

Anyway, I oppose appointments and I don't want this crap to extend on at-large level. Period.