Candidates from different years vs. each other

[nclib]

Dukakis demolishes Clinton '92 based on 1992 EC votes.

This may have more to do with the South having lower Perot support, than with being pro-Clinton. IIRC, Perot voters went 70-30 Bush in 1988, so Clinton's raw numbers were lower in states where Perot did well, even if the majority of Perot's voters would have voted GOP.

Here is Perot's 1992 map vs. his national average (Green = above; Red = below):

Snowstalker, such state maps are great, keep them coming.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

A quicky: Obama vs. Menendez.



Again, Obama is green. The results here suggest that while Obama performed better with affluent whites (other than Monmouth, his counties were mountainous NY exurbs), Menendez certainly did better with Latinos and probably did better with middle/working-class whites.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Different parties this time; Romney vs. Manchin. It really looks like a typical 50/50 race in WV (barring Clay & Nicholas Counties). Some of Obama's worst counties, like Mingo, were also among Manchin's best, which just goes to show how much both local issues (coal) and personal traits of candidates (race) can impact results.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Along the same lines, Obama vs. Brown in Ohio. Adams County was tied.

So Obama beat Brown in most of inner and western Ohio? Surprising.

[Nichlemn]

Since we've been making the comparison for years...

Dewey 1948 vs. Romney 2012

Dewey 290
Romney 241

Using 1940 numbers

Looks almost exactly what a slightly smaller Obama victory would have looked like.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Along the same lines, Obama vs. Brown in Ohio. Adams County was tied.

So Obama beat Brown in most of inner and western Ohio? Surprising.

NW Ohio is a major auto manufacturing area. Most of the rest can be explained by a random independent that got over 4% in the Ohio Senate race. The biggest Obama/Brown gaps were along the WV border, for obvious reasons (even though for some reason Obama did better in Ohio coal country than in WV/PA/VA/KY/TN).

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Since we've been making the comparison for years...

Dewey 1948 vs. Romney 2012

Dewey 290
Romney 241

Using 1940 numbers

Looks almost exactly what a slightly smaller Obama victory would have looked like.

Dewey and Romney were both Republicans.  Do you mean a GOP nomination contest?

[Thomas D]

Since we've been making the comparison for years...

Dewey 1948 vs. Romney 2012

Dewey 290
Romney 241

Using 1940 numbers

Looks almost exactly what a slightly smaller Obama victory would have looked like.

Dewey and Romney were both Republicans.  Do you mean a GOP nomination contest?

I think he's saying that this map could have been a Romney/Obama map if Romney had done better.

[Wyoming Conservative]

1980 Reagan Vs 1932 Roosevelt

[nclib]

A quicky: Obama vs. Menendez.



Again, Obama is green. The results here suggest that while Obama performed better with affluent whites (other than Monmouth, his counties were mountainous NY exurbs), Menendez certainly did better with Latinos and probably did better with middle/working-class whites.

Good maps. Also noteworthy that Carper, Manchin, McCaskill, Donnelly, Tester, Heitkamp, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, Sanders, Brown (MA), McMahon, Lingle, and Barrasso ran ahead of their major party candidate everywhere. Whitehouse did too, though in 2 of the 5 RI counties (Kent and Washington), his opponent did too.

[nclib]

Clinton - 1996 vs. Obama 2012:

Obama - Red
Clinton - Blue

[Nichlemn]

Clinton - 1996 vs. Obama 2012:

Obama - Red
Clinton - Blue

This looks pretty close to a Democratic landslide, with the massive outlier of MA. It's quite amazing how well Clinton did in MA in 1996.

[nclib]

3-way tie in 1980:

Carter - 254
Reagan - 155
Anderson - 129

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I presume that's Anderson's actual vote versus the margin of the real victor.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Dewey 1944 (green) beats Dewey 1948 (blue) 289-242 based on 1940's numbers.

[nclib]

I presume that's Anderson's actual vote versus the margin of the real victor.

That's the % vote, not margin, of the supposed victor in each case.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I presume that's Anderson's actual vote versus the margin of the real victor.

That's the % vote, not margin, of the supposed victor in each case.

If you are using % vote for all three, then you need to take that map to the what-if boards.  This thread is about using the real results from actual candidates who happened to have run in different years and see who would have won if those results had been in the same year. Carter 1980 v. Reagan 1980 v. Anderson 1980 would just be the 1980 map.

[nclib]

I presume that's Anderson's actual vote versus the margin of the real victor.

That's the % vote, not margin, of the supposed victor in each case.

If you are using % vote for all three, then you need to take that map to the what-if boards.  This thread is about using the real results from actual candidates who happened to have run in different years and see who would have won if those results had been in the same year. Carter 1980 v. Reagan 1980 v. Anderson 1980 would just be the 1980 map.

OK, though some of the maps on this thread do involve same year.

[Thomas D]

1980 Reagan vs. Obama 2012

Obama 275
Reagan 263

Using 1990's numbers. Lucky for Obama that Jimmy Carter was from Georgia.

["'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted"]

FDR time travels from 1936 to beat Nixon '72 284-254.

[Nichlemn]

1980 Reagan vs. Obama 2012

Obama 275
Reagan 263

Using 1990's numbers. Lucky for Obama that Jimmy Carter was from Georgia.

Barring Georgia, this is a couple of hundred votes in NM away from being the exact 2000 map.

[Thomas D]

Nixon 1960 vs. Ford 1976 vs. Gore 2000

Gore- 230
Nixon- 226
Ford- 82

Using 1970's numbers.

[Boston Bread]

Debs (1912) vs. Johnson (2012)

Debs in Red, Johnson in Green

478-53 in 2012 votes

While Johnson did run well in parts of the South, it's more that Debs had no support whatsoever in the Southeast. The places Johnson did best in, like New Mexico and Montana, were some of Debs' better states, and therefore Johnson didn't win any votes there.

The disappearance of radical traditions in the west and midwest is because socialism and even pro-social reform is now associated with government, especially big, tyrannical government, even elitist instead of an anti-elitist, anti-government protest movement. Media and big money learned and did their work it seems. These traditions made unions and the middle place strong in the first place and they have to come back if this country is to be saved.

[Mr. Smith]

Could someone do:

 Hayes (1876) vs Benjamin Harrison (1888) vs Bush (2000)

 Hoover (1932) vs Carter (1980)

 Carter (1976) vs Obama (2012) [It's foregone that the South is completely inverted, but the rest would be interesting here]

Eisenhower (1952) vs Clinton (1992)

Kennedy (1960) vs Humphrey (1968)

[Representative Joe Mad]

Using 1932 numbers Hoover carries out a narrow victory.

Hoover: 275 EVs
Carter: 256 EVs

Looking into this made me realize that despite how badly Carter got crushed in the 1980 election, a number of southern states were pretty close.  A few points in his direction and he would have lost a little less painfully.