Driver's licenses

[dazzleman]

It must be easier to get a license in America (or at least in certain parts of America).  Here, at least, the license does actually represent quite a bit: it means that you passed a written exam, a vision exam, and two road tests in which you prove your competency to a certified instructor.

Here it's way too easy to get a license in my opinion.  Details vary with different states, but I know of no state that conducts a realistic competency test for driving.

My road test consisted, basically, of driving around the block on side streets, with a parallel parking (one car only, low curbs) and a u-turn.  No traffic light, no multi-lane road, and certainly no highway-type driving.  The test did not contain any of the challenging situations that drivers face on a daily basis.

[danwxman]

It must be easier to get a license in America (or at least in certain parts of America).  Here, at least, the license does actually represent quite a bit: it means that you passed a written exam, a vision exam, and two road tests in which you prove your competency to a certified instructor.

Here it's way too easy to get a license in my opinion.  Details vary with different states, but I know of no state that conducts a realistic competency test for driving.

My road test consisted, basically, of driving around the block on side streets, with a parallel parking (one car only, low curbs) and a u-turn.  No traffic light, no multi-lane road, and certainly no highway-type driving.  The test did not contain any of the challenging situations that drivers face on a daily basis.

Doesn't CT have Behind The Wheel? It's more useful then an actual drivers test IMO. You actually do drive on highways, multi-lane roads with center turning lanes and in some challenging situations.

[nclib]

I voted Option 1.

Almost all age restrictions are at age 18, and driving poses more of a safety risk than a lot of other behaviors that are limited to adults.

I might make an exception for 16- and 17-year-olds living in counties without public transportation.

[dazzleman]

It must be easier to get a license in America (or at least in certain parts of America).  Here, at least, the license does actually represent quite a bit: it means that you passed a written exam, a vision exam, and two road tests in which you prove your competency to a certified instructor.

Here it's way too easy to get a license in my opinion.  Details vary with different states, but I know of no state that conducts a realistic competency test for driving.

My road test consisted, basically, of driving around the block on side streets, with a parallel parking (one car only, low curbs) and a u-turn.  No traffic light, no multi-lane road, and certainly no highway-type driving.  The test did not contain any of the challenging situations that drivers face on a daily basis.

Doesn't CT have Behind The Wheel? It's more useful then an actual drivers test IMO. You actually do drive on highways, multi-lane roads with center turning lanes and in some challenging situations.

Is Behind the Wheel a simulated driving test?  I never heard of it before.
I don't know whether Connecticut has it.  As far as I know, Connecticut gives the traditional driving test behind the local DMV office.

In any case, I took my driving test a long time ago, and it wasn't in Connecticut.  I was living in New York at the time, and I took it there.  When I moved to Connecticut and switched my license, they waived the road test since I already had a license from another state.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Behind the Wheel is just where you get in a car with the instructor and then go on a drive around a certain area, and are graded based on how well you follow all the requirements, of course you automatically fail if you run a red light or anything like that. I had to take one, and I was lucky to pass it on my first try. I had to take the written test 4 times to get my learner's permit.

[A18]

It is still a useless requirement that should be done away with, but at least I can bypass it by waiting until I'm 18.

[WiseGuy]

Raise it to 18. I see some kids driving at my age and it's not a pleasant sight.

Hey cool, I just got my license!  I think I agree with the way they've got it, although I didn't like having to go through that alcohol education course *YUCK.*  But you're right, Keystone, last time my dad took me driving I scraped up the hubcap of my sister's car!  :slaps head:

[??????????]

What part of Florida are you in Wiseguy?

[WiseGuy]

Hi StatesRights,

I'm on the Nature coast, north of Tampa Bay, so you're safe.  I won't be driving over to your part of Florida anytime soon.  LOL

Btw, I agree with the note in your profile, we could use a good guy like McCarthy.  I read about him in Ann Coulter's book, Treason.  It's amazing how the left-wingers got away with smearing his reputation, I mean, they practically ruined his career.

[??????????]

Hi StatesRights,

I'm on the Nature coast, north of Tampa Bay, so you're safe.  I won't be driving over to your part of Florida anytime soon.  LOL

Btw, I agree with the note in your profile, we could use a good guy like McCarthy.  I read about him in Ann Coulter's book, Treason.  It's amazing how the left-wingers got away with smearing his reputation, I mean, they practically ruined his career.

You're pretty close. I'm in plant city as you may have read. Welcome to the forum and I hope to see you here more often. When you have achieved 18 postings head on over to the fantasy election section and register.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

It is still a useless requirement that should be done away with, but at least I can bypass it by waiting until I'm 18.

useless? Keeping people without sufficient driving skills from driving is not useless.

[WiseGuy]

You're pretty close. I'm in plant city as you may have read. Welcome to the forum and I hope to see you here more often. When you have achieved 18 postings head on over to the fantasy election section and register.

Thanks, StatesRights, I will!

The insurance companies were the biggest sponsors of the bogus driving school requirement in Louisiana.  My older brother took the course there and at the end of one week and a few hours of driving instruction, the school refused to give him a learner's license because he didn't know how to drive!  Isn't that what a learner's license is for?! 

In FL we're not required to take instruction from a "professional" instructor, but we do have to log in a certain amount of time behind the wheel before advancing to the next level.  If your parents really care about your safety, they'll make sure you get some experience in challenging situations before that happens.

[Redefeatbush04]

I say keep it the way it is now and leave it up to the states

[Richard]

There is a way to drive without a driver's license.  Anyone interested in how to do it?

[Richard]

COMMON LAW VEHICULAR JUDICIAL NOTICE CONSTITUTIONAL DRIVERS LICENSE

THE UNDERSIGNED Common Law Citizen___________________________: hereby Certifies, by Rights Secured under provisions of the Constitution of the United States of America, the Constitution of the several states. Common Law, Nature and Laws of Natures GOD, that these Rights are retained in FEE SIMPLE ABSOLUTE, and held and protected with special regard to Rights designated and/or set forth as follows: ALSO NOTE Rights and Property are ONE AND THE SAME THING-by the Honorable Justice LOUIS BRANDIS U.S. SUPREME COURT. NOTICE AND ADVISORY OF RIGHTS CLAIMED INVIOLATE:


1) The Right to TRAVEL FREELY, UNENCUMBERED, and UNFETTERED is guaranteed as a RIGHT and not a mere privilege. That the Right to TRAVEL is such a BASIC RIGHT it does NOT even need to be mentioned for it is SELF-evident by Common Sense that the Right to TRAVEL is a BASIC CONCOMMITANT of a FREE Society to come and go from length and breath FREELY UNENCUMBERED and UNFETTERED distinguishes the characteristic required for a FREE PEOPLE TO EXIST IN FACT. Please See SHAPIRO vs. THOMSON, 394 U. S. 618 . Further, the Right to TRAVEL by private conveyance for private purposes upon the Common way can NOT BE INFRINGED. No license or permission is required for TRAVEL when such TRAVEL IS NOT for the purpose of (COMMERCIAL] PROFIT OR GAIN on the open highways operating under license IN COMMERCE. The above named Common Law Citizen listed IS NOT OPERATING IN COMMERCE and as such is thereby EXEMPTED FROM THE REQUIREMENT OF A LICENSE AS SUCH. Further, the ____________________________ state, is FORBIDDEN BY LAW from converting a BASIC RIGHT into a PRIVILEGE and requiring a LICENSE and or a FEE CHARGED for the exercise of the BASIC RIGHT. Please SEE MURDOCK vs. PENNSYLVANIA, 319 U.S. 105, and if________________________, state does ERRONIOUSLY convert BASIC RIGHTS into PRIVILEGES and require a License or FEE a Citizen may IGNORE THE LICENSE OR FEE WITH TOTAL IMMUNITY FOR SUCH EXERCISE OF A BASIC RIGHT. Please see Schuttlesworth vs. BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, 373 U.S. 262. Now if a Citizen exercises a BASIC RIGHT and a Law of ANY state is to the contrary of such exercise of that BASIC RIGHT, the said supposed Law of ANY state is a FICTION OF LAW and 100% TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL and NO COURTS ARE BOUND TO UPHOLD IT AND NO Citizen is REQUIRED TO OBEY SUCH UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW OR LICENSE REQUIREMENT. Please see MARBURY vs. MADISON, 5 U.S. 137 (1803), which has never been overturned in over 194 years, see Shephard's Citations. Now further, if a Citizen relies in good faith on the advice of Counsel and or on the Decisions of the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT that Citizen has a PERFECT DEFENSE to the element of WILLFULNESS and since the burden of proof of said WILLFULNESS is on the Prosecution to prove beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, said task or burden being totally impossible to specifically perform there is NO CAUSE OF ACTION FOR WHICH RELIEF MAY BE GRANTED BY A COURT OF LAW. Please see U.S. vs. Bishop 412 U.S. 346 . OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO LAWFUL CHARGE AGAINST EXERCISING A BASIC Right to TRAVEL for a regular Common Law Citizen NOT IN COMMERCE on the common way Public HIGHWAY. THAT IS THE LAW!!! The above named Citizen IS IMMUNE FROM ANY CHARGE TO THE CONTRARY AND ANY PARTY MAKING SUCH CHARGE SHOULD BE DULY WARNED OF THE TORT OF TRESPASS!!! YOU ARE TRESPASSING ON THIS Common Law Citizen!!!


2) The original and Judicial jurisdiction of the United States Supreme Court is ALL actions in which a State may be party, thru subdivision, political or trust. This includes ALL state approved subdivisions and/or INCORPORATED Cities, Townships, Municipalities, and Villages, Et Al. Please see Article 3, Section 2, Para. (1) and (2), U.S. Constitution.


3) The undersigned has NEVER willingly and knowingly entered into ANY Contract or Contractual agreement giving up ANY Constitutional Rights which are secured by the CONSTITUTION, the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. This Common Law Citizen has NOT harmed any party, has NOT threatened any party, and that includes has NOT threatened or caused any endangerment to the safety or well being of any party and would leave any claimant otherwise to their strictest proofs otherwise IN A COURT OF LAW. The above named Citizen is merely exercising the BASIC RIGHT TO TRAVEL UNENCUMBERED and UNFETTERED on the Common public way or highway, which is their RIGHT TO SO DO!!! Please see Zobel vs. Williams, 457 U.S. 55, held the RIGHT TO TRAVEL is Constitutionally PROTECTED!!


4) Conversion of the RIGHT TO TRAVEL into a PRIVILEGE and or CRIME is A FRAUD and is in clear and direct conflict with she UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. LAWS made by any state, which are clearly in direct CONFLICT or REPUGNANCY are UNCONSTITUTIONAL and are NOT WITH STANDING IN LAW AND ARE BEING CHALLENGED AS SUCH HERE AND THEREBY ARE NULL AND VOID OF LAW ON THEIR FACE. NO COURTS ARE BOUND TO UPHOLD SUCH FICTIONS OF LAW AND NO Citizen is bound to obey such a FICTION OF LAW. SUCH REGULATION OR LAW OPERATES AS A MERE NULLITY OR FICTION OF LAW AS IF IT NEVER EXISTED IN LAW. No CITIZEN IS BOUND TO OBEY SUCH UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW!!!!!


5) The payment for a privilege requires a benefit to be received As the RIGHT TO TRAVEL is already secured it is clearly unlawful to cite any charges without direct damage to the specific party. Nor may a Citizen be charged with an offense for the exercise of a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, in this case the RIGHT TO TRAVEL. Please see Miller vs. UNITED STATES 230 F2d 486. Nor may a Citizen be denied DUE PROCESS OF LAW or EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW.


6) The undersigned does hereby claim, declare, and certify ANY AND ALL their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS INVIOLATE from GOD and secured in THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and the CONSTITUTION OF THE state wherein they abode as a SOVEREIGN, COMMON LAW CITIZEN existing and acting entirely AT THE COMMON LAW, and retains ALL BASIC RIGHTS under the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, NATURE AND NATURE'S GOD AND UNDER THE LAWS OF GOD THE SUPREME LAW GIVER.




7) ANY VIOLATOR OF THE ABOVE CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE AND CLAIM IS CRIMINALLY TRESPASSING UPON THIS ABOVE NAMED COMMON LAW Citizen and WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT UNDER THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. BE WARNED OF THE TRESPASS AND THE ATTACHED CAVEATS. ALSO TAKE CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE, IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT AN EXCUSE!!





SIGNATURE OF THE ABOVE NOTED Common Law Citizen is signed_____________________________
WITNESS___________________________ Date_________
WITNESS___________________________ Date_________
or
NOTARY PUBLIC_______________________ MY COMMISSION
EXPIRES__________________
Form below use for County Clerk state of MICHIGAN COUNTY OF_______________________
1, _________________________________________, CLERK of the County of
___________________________________________, thereof do hereby certify the
Citizen above named has sworn to the contents of this document and that same is TRUE AND CORRECT. IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereto set my hand and affixed the SEAL of said CIRCUIT COURT, at the City of _________________________________, MICHIGAN this
___________day of________________________, AD._____________
_________________________________________________________Deputy County Clerk for
_________________________________________________________COUNTY CLERK

[A18]

I'm confused.

[Richard]

I'm confused.

They can't require you to have a license to travel.  It is a Constitutional right.

[A18]

What part of the Constitution is this?

[Richard]

Well, no, not the Constitution.  Bad choice of words.  It is a common law right.  You can't keep someone locked up in your basement right?  He has the right to travel.  It is a right that is not penned down, but still exists under common law.

[Gabu]

You could always, I dunno, learn how to drive.

I realize that this is a foreign concept.

[Alcon]

Well, no, not the Constitution.  Bad choice of words.  It is a common law right.  You can't keep someone locked up in your basement right?  He has the right to travel.  It is a right that is not penned down, but still exists under common law.

So you should be able to murder people and go anywhere you want?

[Richard]

Well, no, not the Constitution.  Bad choice of words.  It is a common law right.  You can't keep someone locked up in your basement right?  He has the right to travel.  It is a right that is not penned down, but still exists under common law.

So you should be able to murder people and go anywhere you want?

What?  No one has a right to murder someone...