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« on: October 16, 2011, 03:43:33 AM »

I'm not sure where this goes, but since this board is for General Discussion I'll put it here.

http://www.aimschools.org/aim_faq.shtml

The school's program is alternately condescending and merely classist and racist. Poor minority students don't deserve sports (except golf, because that leads to business connections) or arts classes or anything but draconian rules and teaching to standardized tests. It's an appalling bit of work, and it epitomizes the beliefs of the rich white man who thinks he has earned his place in society and thinks that poor minorities need simply to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps (and who also apparently has trouble with spelling and grammar, judging from that page). It's not surprising that the kid I know who goes there (or, it should be said, went there until he transferred out) remarked on the complete lack of anything approximating independent thought.

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 04:11:28 AM »

Place has a bizarre history. Which, of course, also explains the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Model_Schools

On the school's founders

http://www.nativehealth.org/about_welcome.html
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 04:37:12 AM »

Wow. No other words could do that justice.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 04:38:42 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 09:20:15 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 09:45:54 AM »

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Love it.

I wonder if they put this question in the FAQ just to make themselves look remotely witty with their "OMG you are the really racists librules!!!!" comeback.  It's pretty much a gimme question with a gimme answer.
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 11:21:30 AM »

I'm shocked a place like this can still exist in the 21st century. The entire concept is a throwback to Social Darwinist attitudes of the early 20th century, and the FAQ section reveals outmoded racist ways of thinking.

Oh and they unabashedly support NCLB = automatic HPs
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2011, 11:25:33 AM »
« Edited: October 18, 2011, 11:37:06 AM by Badger »

I'm not sure where this goes, but since this board is for General Discussion I'll put it here.

http://www.aimschools.org/aim_faq.shtml

The school's program is alternately condescending and merely classist and racist. Poor minority students don't deserve sports (except golf, because that leads to business connections) or arts classes or anything but draconian rules and teaching to standardized tests. It's an appalling bit of work, and it epitomizes the beliefs of the rich white man who thinks he has earned his place in society and thinks that poor minorities need simply to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps (and who also apparently has trouble with spelling and grammar, judging from that page). It's not surprising that the kid I know who goes there (or, it should be said, went there until he transferred out) remarked on the complete lack of anything approximating independent thought.

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So your post is to belittle a school and call it racist because they are actually trying to improve the lives of minorities in this country. I don't know how can live with your contemptuous attitude that prefers to just give up on improving the lot of minorities and criticize those that try.

Most black leaders would tell you that education is the biggest civil rights issue of the 21st century and if they saw your post they would call you the worst kind of racist pig!
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2011, 11:28:47 AM »

^^ yeah, he can't be a real poster.  maybe 50-60% real but not >99% like the rest of us.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2011, 01:54:03 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2011, 02:00:43 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

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How people could decry a school like this that has success in getting minority students to college is beyond me! Maybe the OP just prefers having minorities being severely uneducated and poor.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2011, 04:04:40 PM »

The polices of this school are vastly more towards the right direction than most schools in this country. Somewhat silly, but it points the way we need to go.

I can swear I've spoken about this place before.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2011, 06:27:06 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

I would think that teaching designed solely to improve scores on those tests would do that, yes.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2011, 06:40:10 PM »
« Edited: October 16, 2011, 06:42:11 PM by Wonkish1 »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

I would think that teaching designed solely to improve scores on those tests would do that, yes.

I guess its a bad thing to have students focused on accumulating information and knowledge and having that determined via test taking(given a lack of better ways to assess knowledge and information accumulation). Should have known that throwing paint at pictures was a much more productive way for students to learn.

Maybe we need to convince all the universities and employers that is what should be higher in their determinations for admissions/employment because being able to answer a long division question on a piece of paper or be able to write coherent paragraphs that demonstrate knowledge of a subject is just way overrated.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 06:53:03 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

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How people could decry a school like this that has success in getting minority students to college is beyond me! Maybe the OP just prefers having minorities being severely uneducated and poor.

Yes, because test scores are the ONLY measure of educational quality Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 06:57:56 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

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How people could decry a school like this that has success in getting minority students to college is beyond me! Maybe the OP just prefers having minorities being severely uneducated and poor.

Yes, because test scores are the ONLY measure of educational quality Roll Eyes

Well that and it's generally understood that tests aren't that useful without well, a pre-test before hand to determine what people actually knew. Of course I'm a big supporter of charter schools and somewhat open to vouchers even if I worry about them devolving into something like the current college-government complex that's produced skyrocketing tuition rates and tons of dumbed-down gen ed courses or worse.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 07:01:24 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

I would think that teaching designed solely to improve scores on those tests would do that, yes.

I guess its a bad thing to have students focused on accumulating information and knowledge and having that determined via test taking(given a lack of better ways to assess knowledge and information accumulation). Should have known that throwing paint at pictures was a much more productive way for students to learn.

Maybe we need to convince all the universities and employers that is what should be higher in their determinations for admissions/employment because being able to answer a long division question on a piece of paper or be able to write coherent paragraphs that demonstrate knowledge of a subject is just way overrated.

But things like mathematics and formal/standardised 'persuasive writing' are, to an extent, overrated on a societal level relative to things like creative writing, art, music, and increasingly history. It's a similar phenomenon to how a college education is increasingly perceived as necessary to be a productive member of society with the hope of good employment even though it's if anything less affordable than ever and no more useful for many occupations than it ever was. The simple fact is that not every facet of society requires or even calls for the kinds of skills that our schools are placing almost fetishistic emphasis on through this sort of testing.
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2011, 07:26:39 PM »

Mathematics is overrated as compared to the arts? Seriously? Fair point about the teaching of history though.
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 07:34:41 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

^^^^


How people could decry a school like this that has success in getting minority students to college is beyond me! Maybe the OP just prefers having minorities being severely uneducated and poor.

Yes, because test scores are the ONLY measure of educational quality Roll Eyes

It is so far the best way to determine knowledge and information accumulation. The real issue here isn't the tests. If you created and used 5 different ways to try to measure the quantity of information learned, people would still b*tch about it. Its the idea of devoting 100% of the school day on just continuous learning and stacking that somehow pisses people like you off. Somehow art, music, physical education, and multicultural studies are supposed to get more attention when none of that is cared about by employers 1 bit.  Furthermore, they want the speed of the curriculum slowed down and more time devoted to things allow people to perform for effort instead of results. As soon as you switchback to a rigorous schedule of teaching and "you're teaching to the test". What a joke!
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2011, 07:37:36 PM »

But things like mathematics and formal/standardised 'persuasive writing' are, to an extent, overrated on a societal level relative to things like creative writing, art, music, and increasingly history. It's a similar phenomenon to how a college education is increasingly perceived as necessary to be a productive member of society with the hope of good employment even though it's if anything less affordable than ever and no more useful for many occupations than it ever was. The simple fact is that not every facet of society requires or even calls for the kinds of skills that our schools are placing almost fetishistic emphasis on through this sort of testing.

Please point to me all the employers that give 2 $hits about your background in music and art.
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2011, 07:40:26 PM »

But things like mathematics and formal/standardised 'persuasive writing' are, to an extent, overrated on a societal level relative to things like creative writing, art, music, and increasingly history. It's a similar phenomenon to how a college education is increasingly perceived as necessary to be a productive member of society with the hope of good employment even though it's if anything less affordable than ever and no more useful for many occupations than it ever was. The simple fact is that not every facet of society requires or even calls for the kinds of skills that our schools are placing almost fetishistic emphasis on through this sort of testing.

Please point to me all the employers that give 2 $hits about your background in music and art.

there is, or at least used to be, more to being human than renting oneself for another's accumulation of capital.
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2011, 07:46:46 PM »

What's hilarious is that these guys still get better test scores across all races than the unionized schools do.

^^^^


How people could decry a school like this that has success in getting minority students to college is beyond me! Maybe the OP just prefers having minorities being severely uneducated and poor.

Yes, because test scores are the ONLY measure of educational quality Roll Eyes

From what I've seen on here, that's basically education policy orthodoxy on the American right.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2011, 07:48:44 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2011, 07:49:45 PM »
« Edited: October 18, 2011, 11:45:08 AM by Badger »

there is, or at least used to be, more to being human than renting oneself for another's accumulation of capital.

You know sometimes I just really can't believe the absolutely retarded statements some people make on here. Way to advertise yourself as an entitled person that is all but guaranteed to be near dirt poor the rest of your life.
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2011, 07:51:36 PM »

there is, or at least used to be, more to being human than renting oneself for another's accumulation of capital.

You know sometimes I just really can't believe the absolutely retarded statements some people make on here. Way to advertise yourself as an entitled idiot that is all but guaranteed to be near dirt poor the rest of your life.

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