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« on: October 19, 2011, 11:36:40 pm »
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Libyan Aid Bill

The Senate of Atlasia hereby authorizes the following $103.5 million aid package to the NTC Government of Libya:
$32.5 million in infrastructure
$30 million in medicine, clothing, etc.
$27.5 million in food
$8.5 million in refugee assistance
$1.5 million in miscellaneous aid
$3.5 million in military aid

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 12:27:08 am »
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I support the bill principle, obviously, but can the sponsor, as well as the SoEA, make assurance that money won't be midirected by Libyan warlords?
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 10:40:20 am »
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Please note the final item in this bill is a reversal of the End to Imperialism Act
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Funding for combat troops in Libya, and transfer of weapons to combatants there, shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective September 15, 2011.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 01:45:19 pm »
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Hmm, apparently Gaddafi just died. Coincidence!?
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 03:49:06 pm »
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Please note the final item in this bill is a reversal of the End to Imperialism Act
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Funding for combat troops in Libya, and transfer of weapons to combatants there, shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective September 15, 2011.

Actually it's not.

The ETI Act stops funding for our combat forces and prevents the transfer of weapons... this Bill does not do either. 
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 04:00:46 pm »
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I'm offering an amendment to remove all "military aid".
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 04:06:19 pm »
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I'm offering an amendment to remove all "military aid".

I would prefer we remove this as well.

Duke, do you accept the amendment as friendly?
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 04:27:04 pm »
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We shouldn't be cutting military aid to the new government.  As the President, noted, prior legislation has no impact here.  I urge the Senate to pass this bill as is, or to increase the amount of aid; to do otherwise is irresponsible.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 04:33:14 pm »
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I support the bill principle, obviously, but can the sponsor, as well as the SoEA, make assurance that money won't be midirected by Libyan warlords?

I would also like to see this question answered. Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 04:39:07 pm »
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I want the last part removed regardless of what the ETI Act's effect is.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2011, 05:08:34 pm »
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The bill directs aid to be given to the Libyan Government.  The money can be monitored, but only so much can be done.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 12:36:19 am »
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I agree military aid is unnecessary. I strongly support the rest of the bill.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 12:47:41 am »
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I will support the removal of military aid... but I really think you've got the wrong end of the stick here.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 12:54:35 am »
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I'll accept removing military aid as friendly because I'm sure we'll vote against it anyway, but I don't think y'all are understanding its purpose. But go ahead and friendly it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2011, 12:55:53 am »
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The amendment has been accepted as friendly. Senators have 24 hours to object.

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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2011, 08:38:23 pm »
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I don't like the justification behind removing military aid in this bill, which on the surface seems to be a knee-jerk reflex opposition to anything remotely military, and a desire to firm up one's credentials on such matters, because god forbid our liberal and libertarian friends lose some brownie points in the club because they are out anti-militaried.

No, instead lets give them all the goodies, the aid with voter registration, the food, the infrastructure, build a nice shinning city in the middle of the desert. And when some random group of crazies rolls into town with AK-47s, RPGs, and maybe even the SAMs that disappeared recently, to which the Libyan gov't is incapable of putting up a solid defense because the citizen "armed mobs" that united to overthrow Gaddaffi have dispersed and maybe even joined the crazies, do we not share in the blame because we were ideologically prohibited from giving them the means to defend what they have gained and the other aid we have given them?

You damn well bet I object.
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2011, 09:30:49 am »
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Thank you Senator Yankee.  It is imperative that we not remove military aid at this juncture; the NTC is a new government, one which still needs to fight for its survival.  It would be the height of irresponsibility for us to cut all military aid just because some of us have a stubborn belief that military aid is always bad.

Additionally, we should be increasing aid, not cutting it.  Some Senators are being very, very shortsighted.
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2011, 04:58:40 pm »
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You damn well bet I object.

Objection noted; the amendment is not accepted as friendly.
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2011, 05:22:29 pm »
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Please vote aye, nay, or abstain on the following amendment:

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2011, 06:14:31 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2011, 06:36:02 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2011, 06:56:53 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2011, 12:41:49 am »
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It does seem that some have a sort of visceral reaction to the world 'military' and don't consider the intent or the context.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2011, 07:49:53 am »
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2011, 06:17:49 pm »
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It does seem that some have a sort of visceral reaction to the world 'military' and don't consider the intent or the context.

This Senate has been extremely reactionary.  Not necessarily conservative, but reactionary nonetheless.
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