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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2011, 07:21:21 pm »
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[ 1 ] Andrew PA

Lt. Governor

[ 1  ] Write In: ___Cincinnatus____


Ratification of the proposed new Northeast Constitution



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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2011, 08:26:12 pm »
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Governor
Snowstalker 11
AndrewPA 8
FallenMorgan 4

Snowstalker is elected Governor.

Lieutenant Governor
Cincinnatus 6
Giovanni 2
Scott 1

Cincinnatus is elected Lieutenant Governor.

Northeast Assembly
Scott 9
Write in: Wormyguy 4
Nathan 2
Morgan 2
20RP12 2
RFK 1
Write in: Cincinnatus 0

Scott, Wormyguy, Nathan, Fallen Morgan, 20RP12, RFK, and Cincinnatus are elected to the Assembly.


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Nay 3

Needed 15 Ayes to pass. The Constitution is adopted.
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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2011, 08:31:24 pm »
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I would assume that since the constitution has been adopted, there would be only 5 Rep's elected, and the Lt. Governor (Which is 1/5 Reps as well) would be Scott, who has the most votes.  Unfortunately, I wouldn't have obtained any position, but I can only assume this constitution is in effect upon its passage, and effects this election, and I asked someone else to confirm this.  Of course, I'd let Napoleon, or CJO Cinyc for that matter, give an opinion about it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2011, 08:42:46 pm »
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In my view, since the election was called and conducted under the old constitution, that is the document governing this election.

I do not see how a constitution that has been passed in an election could then become retroactive to govern that election that had been called and conducted before the new constitution was passed.

Future elections would be conducted under the new constitution.
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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2011, 08:43:05 pm »
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I don't know, I have been thinking about it for a few days and I think it is possible this wont go into effect for elections until the next general election.
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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2011, 08:44:51 pm »
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I don't know, I have been thinking about it for a few days and I think it is possible this wont go into effect for elections until the next general election.

I understand either way.  It's certainly not an easy call, and I'm sure it can be debated.  I'd rather have a position to actually fill to be honest.  I just want to make sure we bring this up, as it is in fact an important issue.  I'll PM Cinyc to weigh in.
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2011, 08:45:21 pm »
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In my view, since the election was called and conducted under the old constitution, that is the document governing this election.

I do not see how a constitution that has been passed in an election could then become retroactive to govern that election that had been called and conducted before the new constitution was passed.

Future elections would be conducted under the new constitution.

Yeah, this is what I had thought, also.
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2011, 08:46:50 pm »
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I will gladly debate my stance in court if desired.
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2011, 08:48:27 pm »
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I will gladly debate my stance in court if desired.

I prefer your stance in fact.  I just think we should all be on the same page, for once Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2011, 09:08:16 pm »
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If we are going by these results, then I believe we are going to need to have a special election to fill the vacancy in the Assembly, since Cincinnatus can't fill two offices at once.
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2011, 09:08:56 pm »
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This is an election booth, please take this discussion elsewhere. Thank you.
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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2011, 09:09:28 pm »
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This is an election booth, please take this discussion elsewhere. Thank you.

The election is over.
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2011, 09:10:44 pm »
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This is an election booth, please take this discussion elsewhere. Thank you.

The election is over.

Yeah but still.
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2011, 09:11:41 pm »
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If we are going by these results, then I believe we are going to need to have a special election to fill the vacancy in the Assembly, since Cincinnatus can't fill two offices at once.

I still have to decide which position to take Wink

This is an election booth, please take this discussion elsewhere. Thank you.

The election is over.

Yeah but still.

You're welcome to create a separate thread Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2011, 09:13:52 pm »
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This is an election booth, please take this discussion elsewhere. Thank you.

The election is over.

Yeah but still.

You're welcome to create a separate thread Smiley

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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2011, 09:19:02 pm »
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Governor, will we need to have a special election to fill Cincinnatus's Assembly seat should he choose to take up his role as Lieutenant Governor?
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2011, 09:21:32 pm »
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Governor, will we need to have a special election to fill Cincinnatus's Assembly seat should he choose to take up his role as Lieutenant Governor?

If I become Lt. Governor, yes.  If I choose to be Rep, no.  I haven't decided yet Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2011, 09:33:14 pm »
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In my view, since the election was called and conducted under the old constitution, that is the document governing this election.

I do not see how a constitution that has been passed in an election could then become retroactive to govern that election that had been called and conducted before the new constitution was passed.

Future elections would be conducted under the new constitution.

This is correct.  The election was held under the old constitution.  The December elections will be held under the new constitution.  Best I can tell, we didn't expressly make the results of the October elections contingent on the passage of the new constitution in the new constitution or the legislation enabling the October referendum, so the old document has to govern because it was what was in place at the time the voting booth was opened.
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2011, 12:06:57 pm »
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In my view, since the election was called and conducted under the old constitution, that is the document governing this election.

I do not see how a constitution that has been passed in an election could then become retroactive to govern that election that had been called and conducted before the new constitution was passed.

Future elections would be conducted under the new constitution.

This is correct.  The election was held under the old constitution.  The December elections will be held under the new constitution.  Best I can tell, we didn't expressly make the results of the October elections contingent on the passage of the new constitution in the new constitution or the legislation enabling the October referendum, so the old document has to govern because it was what was in place at the time the voting booth was opened.

I know that I am knew to this region, but this is a very interesting question that I hope you will not mind if I but in.  Here is the way I see it.  The election was held under the old Constitution, thus 7 reps and a Lt. Gov were properly elected.

However, the new constitution was also voted in.  That constitution expressly states that the there will be 5 Reps and the Lt. Gov will be the Rep with the most votes.  As it does not have a sunset provision for the old legislature or Lt. Gov (such as these changes will take place in the next regional election following the ratification of the Constitution by the people) it is my opinion that they take effect immediately.  Thus, while the elections were proper for about a nanosecond, once the new constitution was put in effect, the new changes become immediate.

We once had this situation in my union.  We had elections for 4 board members at the same time that we were trying to add a fifth position.  Had the vote on the new position failed, the election of the 4th would have been fine.  Since it passed, we had an immediate by-election.  It is our situation in reverse.

Thus, the way I see it, as the new constitution is in effect, we have 5 reps with the Lt. Gov being one of them.  Sorry Cincy, not the way I wanted to start off here, but that is the way I see the situation.
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