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heatmaster
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Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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on:
October 21, 2011, 11:15:38 pm »
It is 2016, after eight years of Republican domination of the White House,
Michael Barnes
a charismatic 50 year old Texan, is preparing to hand over keys to two possible successors either North Carolina Governor
Dwight Henderson
, the
Democrats
standard bearer and Vice President
John Creighton
,
Barnes
selected
Creighton
eight years before to be his running mate, because of the fact he was from Pennsylvania.
Creighton
knows how to run a bare knuckled kind of campaign, the
Democrats
and
Republicans
are 50-50 in the Senate, with
Creighton's
tie-breaking vote allowing the
GOP
to run the Senate, the
Democrats
gained control of the House two years previously. Now considering the
532
-
6
electoral and
65.3%
sweep
Barnes
enjoyed four years before and given that nuclear terrorism is the big issue considering how terrorists detonated a nuclear bomb on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, the city of Galveston faced heavy damage, but with a SORT treaty along with a Nobel Peace prize under his belt, discuss with maps the kind of impact nuclear security has on both the presidential and congressional elections in 2016, does
Barnes
help
Creighton
or does
Henderson
have the edge. Is it a nail-biter, oh yeah the first lady
Katherine Barnes
is seeking seat in U.S. Senate from Florida ( shades of Hillary Clinton) except in my time-line there were no Bush's or Clinton's
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
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November 01, 2011, 06:47:09 pm »
It would be hard to know, if this President Richmond has only a personal popularity, ala Eisenhower or Reagan, then it is problematic to see if the Republicans hold on to the White House, if they do, then the Vice President would or should be as politically adept at winning, but after eight years it might be an iffy proposition. The Democrats might do well to try and nominate a southerner to overcome any bric-brats which the GOP are likely to throw his way. I would see the EV split as 285-253 in favor of the Dems. They should hold the Senate and the House could very well go back to GOP thanks to Richmond's popularity with the grass-roots. Cannon would likely try to put some distance between himself and his boss, to prove he is his own man. There are reasons to hope that Cannon would up the ante so to speak.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
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November 01, 2011, 07:04:45 pm »
Or if there is a 269-269 split in the Electoral vote, then the map would look like this.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
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November 01, 2011, 07:07:00 pm »
The situation if there is a 269-269 split would mean a constitutional crisis of epic proportions.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #5 on:
November 01, 2011, 07:20:14 pm »
apologies to those who have responded to my post, I entered a wrong character, the Democrat who is seeking the presidency in 2016, is a southerner, by the name of
Dwight Henderson
, two term Governor of North Carolina, who is roughly the same age, a months older than the outgoing President,
Michael "Mike" Barnes
,
Henderson
is the
Democrat's
answer to the everyman, popular with the NASCAR crowd and campaigns like the best of them, he selects an older Vice Presidential nominee, a popular Senator from West Virginia, called
Charles Kent
, they face off against the Republican team, of two-term Vice President,
John Creighton
, of Pennsylvania and his Veep running mate, 36-year-old Congressman
Andrew Bell
of Iowa. I like the leatherface map set-up, couldn't have done better myself.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #6 on:
November 01, 2011, 07:28:50 pm »
This is the re-election map in 2012 for
Mike Barnes
and
John Creighton
over
Democratic
nominee for President, Senator
Robert Samuels
of Massachusetts.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #7 on:
November 01, 2011, 07:40:38 pm »
This is the 2008 map for the 473-65 victory won by Senator
Michael "Mike" Barnes
of Texas and Senator
John Creighton
of Pennsylvania, they won over President
Edward Daniels
, who succeeded to the Presidency upon the death of President
Daniel Lewis
a few years before..
Four years later, when he sought re-election, President
Barnes
faced off against Massachusetts Senator
Robert Samuels
, the
Democratic
nominee.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #8 on:
November 01, 2011, 07:43:39 pm »
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #9 on:
November 01, 2011, 07:52:50 pm »
Correction on the 60.2% for 2012, it actually reads
64.91%
that breaks the 48-year record set by
LBJ
in 1964.
in 2008,
Barnes
wins
59.03%
and has a popular vote majority of 25,302,056
and his re-election majority was 30,634,019
.
His 49-state sweep in 2012, equals
Reagan
in 1984
and
Nixon
in 1972
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #10 on:
November 01, 2011, 10:52:58 pm »
The next period between 2017- through 2020 are years of challenge, but promise for President
Dwight Henderson
the
Democrat has proven to be pretty adept and the strong leadership demonstrated during two crisis situations during the Kurdish war and the revolution in Saudi Arabia in 2018, allows the
Democrats
to go strong into the Mid-terms of 2018, however the successes of the
Henderson
administration on the foreign policy front are short-lived, but the Oil crisis of late 2018, creates economic havoc,
Democrats
lose 38 House seats and control of the House, and 8 seats in the Senate, thus giving
Republicans control of that chamber. The following year, Virginia Governor
Henry Wheeler
emerges as the savior of the GOP and his selection of former First lady, Senator
Katherine Barnes
of Florida to be the party's vice-presidential nominee. This is the electoral map for the 2020 Election, it was
367
for the
Republicans
to
171 EV for the
Democrats
. The winner's garner
53.7%
to
44.9%
for the incumbent.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #11 on:
November 02, 2011, 10:13:42 am »
in 2024,
Henry Wheeler
and
Katherine Barnes
won re-election, garnering
58.8%
and carried 43 States with
469
EV. The
Democratic nominee
was Senator
Harry Jensen
of Nebraska. Here is the map.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #12 on:
November 02, 2011, 10:34:39 am »
Henry Wheeler
had no sooner defeated
Harry Jensen
in the 2024 elections, before the so- called 'Tecumseh' curse struck again, terrorism erupted on to the streets of Washington, claiming the lives of
Wheeler
and his Secretary of Defense,
George Kirkland
. The curse had struck down William H. Harrison in 1841,
Abraham Lincoln
in 1865,
James Garfield
in 1881,
William McKinley
in 1901,
Warren Harding
in 1923,
Franklin Roosevelt
in 1945,
John Kennedy
in 1963 and more recently
Daniel Lewis
in 2005.
Ronald Reagan
was shot & fatally wounded in 1981, Tecumseh struck, if the President was elected in the year ending in zero.
Katherine Barnes
succeeded to the presidency, becoming the first woman to serve in that capacity, as well as being the spouse of a living former president.
Barnes
under the terms of the 25th Amendment, nominated Senator
Edward Morris
of New York to the position of Vice President, the confirmation hearings of
Morris
were dramatic and fractious and
Democrats
were to raise questions over the conduct of the previous
Wheeler-Barnes
administration's intelligence and national security record.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #13 on:
November 02, 2011, 10:59:05 am »
The period of 2025 through 2026, was a period of challenge for
Katherine Barnes
and her administration. She faced challenges from a newly resurgent Russia, as well as Japan, whose dominance on the world's markets was creating a protectionist flavor to American politics. Her appointment in 2025, of
Charles Stevens
to be Secretary of State gave conservatives within the
Republican
party much reason to be happy, but so to were the Wall Street crowd, as
Stevens
had served as Treasury Secretary during the administration of President
Michael Barnes
, so there was an institutional memory to be considered. By 2026, the
Democrats
were determined to make the dramatic inroads in the mid-terms, which
Republicans
had offered eight years previously during
Dwight Henderson's
presidency. They believed that 2028 could be the year when they might reclaim the White House. as it turned out the
Democrats
only picked up 19 seats in the House and 5 in the Senate. Not a seismic shift by any stretch of the imagination. But the result might give the
Barnes-Morris
administration pause for thought. The period of 2027 through 2028, saw foreign policy taking center stage , in advance of the 2028 presidential election. The president made enough foreign policy forays to dampen
Democratic
hopes. Her supreme court appointments faced more rigorous grilling by a Senate evenly divided 50-50, the most likeliest challenge to
Katherine Barnes
came from
Gerald Hoag
.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #14 on:
November 02, 2011, 11:38:31 am »
Here is the map for the election of 2028, where
Katherine Barnes
and
Edward Morris
garnered
372
EV to
166
EV for
Gerald Hoag
.
Barnes
garnered
55.67%
, down 3.2% on the 2024 result. The ticket carried 39 States.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
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Reply #15 on:
November 02, 2011, 12:30:08 pm »
I was looking at the 2024 map, and counted EV for Blake as 468 instead of 469, so if you don't mind, I think this is how the map should be configured.
This will give the final result at
469
EV to
69
and 43 States to 7 & DC for the
Democratic
challenger.
I find the storyline to be fascinating, but the author seems more interested in the elections, than a storyline for the period. I will submit some possible scenarios for later on. For example the author neglects to discuss the primary contests, and the party conventions and what cities played host.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #16 on:
November 02, 2011, 05:53:43 pm »
I would like to thank fellow traveler, Leatherface for his or her help on the 2024 election map, don't know how I missed that, but then again math was never my strong suit. Getting back to brass tacks, in the 2008 & 2012 electoral cycles, both
Democratic
nominee's were from Eastern states, in the 2016 & 2020 cycles, the
Democratic
nominee was a southerner/border state native. However in the 2024, 2028 & 2032 cycles, the
Democratic
nominee came from the East (New York), the Midwest (Illinois) & the East (Pennsylvania). It appears from this pattern, the
Democrats
run to the left, where there candidates originate from, where as the
Republicans
as seen in the 2008, 2012, 2020, 2024 & 2028 electoral cycles, have nominee's who come from Texas and Florida (sunbelt). The exception to the rule was in 2016, when the party go with the former Governor of and Senator from Ohio, who had ended up on the ticket in 2008, not because of ticket-balancing considerations, but more out of consideration, that he represented the moderate wing of the
Republican
party and
Barnes
wanted to appeal to Independents, however that became a moot point, in view of the economic meltdown which occurred in September of 2008, in which case the
GOP
could have run Attila the Hun and still have won, the fact that
Barnes
was the most appealing and attractive candidate to be offered by a major party since the
Democrats
went with
John F. Kennedy
in 1960.
Barnes
was only 42 when he became President, but unlike
JFK
survived his presidency.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #17 on:
November 03, 2011, 07:03:04 am »
There needs to be a correction, on the 2032 result,
Henderson
won
49.67%
to
49.65%
for
Petty
. Any guesses on how the 2036 map would look like, remember
William Stevens
, he is from Ohio originally, but was for years based in the brokerage business, hence his service as Treasury Secretary under
Michael Barnes
and then as Secretary of State under outgoing President,
Katherine Barnes
. in 2031,
Stevens
has resigned from the cabinet in order to challenge
Petty
for the
GOP
presidential nomination, but comes up short, as many in the party are of the view, that it is
Petty's
'turn'. So my question by 2036,
Stevens
will be 72, would he be considered to old or considering the medical advances, would 71 be the new 60?. He is still healthy and vigorous to pass muster and might be a good challenger for
Henderson
I don't know if any of you realize this but in every presidential election held on November 6, the
Republicans
have won, as has been the case on November 4, well almost,
Coolidge
in 1924,
Eisenhower
i n 1952 and
Reagan
in 1980, so in my TL
Republicans
have won in 2008 and must win in 2036. I realize that
Democrats
won in 1828, 1856 and 1884. But the modern two -part system was still in its infancy.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #18 on:
November 03, 2011, 09:27:56 pm »
The following Presidents in my TL
Ronald Reagan * (CA)/ George H.W. Bush (TX) January 20th 1981 March 30th 1981
George H. W. Bush (TX) March 30th 1981 January 20 1989/ Robert Dole (KS) May 1 1981 January 20 1989
Henry Chandler (VA)/ Raymond Dann (PA) January 20th 1989 January 20th 1997
Eugene Maxwell ^ (TX)/ Roger Burke (VA)* January 20th 1997 January 20th 2001
Gerald Benson** (CA)/ William Daniels (MD) January 20th 2001 July 16th 2005
William Daniels ^^ (MD)/ Burt Brown (NC) July 16th 2005 January 20th 2009
Michael Barnes (TX)/ Robert Creighton (OH) January 20th 2009 January 20th 2017
Howard Davenport ^^^(NC)/ Charles Meyers (WI) January 20th 2017 January 20th 2021
Timothy Wheeler **** (VA)/ Katherine Barnes (FL) January 20th 2021 December 30th 2024
Katherine Barnes (FL)/
i
Edward Morris (N.Y.):
ii
John Petty (CA):December 12th 2024 January 20th 2033
Paul Henderson^^^^ (MA)/ Larry Kent (WA) January 20th 2033 January 20th 2037
William Stevens****(OH)/Joseph McKenna (FL) January 20th 2037 April 7th 2042
Joseph McKenna (FL) April 7th 2042 January 20th 2049
*
Died in office
**
Died in office
***
Died in office
****
Died in office
^
defeated for reelection
^^
defeated for reelection
^^^
defeated for reelection
^^^^
defeated for reelection
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #19 on:
November 03, 2011, 10:13:00 pm »
By 2036, another
Democratic
President was facing political meltdown,
Howard Davenport
was now facing political problems not of his own making, but rather ones he had inherited from the previous
Republican
administration, however this meant very little to the kind of campaign the
GOP
were prepared to engage in, and very cynically, the party's nominee,
Charles Stevens
and his Vice-Presidential running mate, former CIA Director and Defense Secretary during the
Henry Wheeler
presidency,
Thomas Emerson
were prepared to engage in. For his part
Stevens
had served both as Treasury Secretary and finally as Secretary of State.
Stevens
employed the same playbook that
Wheeler
had successfully used against both
in Davenport in 2020 and against
Jensen
in 2024. The campaign was dirty, but
Stevens
and
Emerson
came smelling up roses on Election day, garnering
369
EV and 41 states to
69
and 9 states for
Davenport
with
53.90%
. Here's the map.
[img]http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?
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Reply #20 on:
November 03, 2011, 10:26:04 pm »
Here's the 2036 map
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
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Reply #21 on:
November 03, 2011, 10:46:01 pm »
Charles Stevens
was strictly a hands-on president and despite being 71 when he was first elected, he was remarkably fit and healthy as he entered into his third year in the White House, the
Republicans
were more than happy to stick with a winning team and nominated
Stevens
and
Emerson
for second terms. The result on November 6 was
60.2%
of the popular vote, with
474
to
64
for the challenger. Here is the map for the 2040 Election. The
Republicans
won California, Florida, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island while losing Oregon, all in all they swept 44 states, compared to the 41 states they won four years previously.
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Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
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Reply #22 on:
November 04, 2011, 08:04:07 pm »
During the the thirty plus years dealing with my TL: the most important figure in any administration apart from those positions held by the Secretaries of the Treasury or even State, would be that of Secretary of Defense.
Here are the following list in my timeline and the administrations in which they served.
Thomas Bodine
1989-97
Fields
administration.
Ethan Cartwright
1997-2001
Maxwell
administration.
David Deckert
2001-05
Lewis
administration.
Mills Lee
2005-09
Lewis/Daniels
administrations.
Robert Kanin
2009-2012
Barnes
administration.
Charles Brice
2012-13
Barnes
administration
Regina Hutchinson
2013-17
Barnes
administration.
Brad Goff
2017-2021
Henderson
administration.
George Kirkland
2021-24
Wheeler
administration.
Walter Simon
2024-32
Barnes
administration.
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note
Robert Kanin
, left the Pentagon in early 2012, to take over as White House Chief of Staff, while
Lloyd Sargent
, who had managed
Barnes'
2008 presidential campaign, and had been White House Chief of Staff, would become the
Barnes-Creighton
for America 2012 Reelection Campaign chairman.
Charles Brice
became Secretary of Defense, replacing
Kanin
in that position.
Kanin
remained at the White House until the end of
Barnes'
second term in January of 2017.
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Quote from: heatmaster on November 04, 2011, 08:04:07 pm
I will be dealing White House chiefs of Staff, NSC advisers, Secretaries of the Treasury & State, as well as Attorneys General as I progress with this TL
During the the thirty plus years dealing with my TL: the most important figure in any administration apart from those positions held by the Secretaries of the Treasury or even State, would be that of Secretary of Defense.
Here are the following list in my timeline and the administrations in which they served.
Thomas Bodine
1989-97
Fields
administration.
Ethan Cartwright
1997-2001
Henderson
administration.
David Deckert
2001-05
Lewis
administration.
Mills Lee
2005-09
Lewis/Daniels
administrations.
Robert Kanin
2009-2012
Richmond
administration.
Charles Brice
2012-13
Richmond
administration
Regina Hutchinson
2013-17
Richmond
administration.
Brad Goff
2017-2021
Davenport
administration.
George Kirkland
2021-24
Wheeler
administration.
Walter Simon
2024-32
Richmond
administration.
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