Home 2012 Election Results Election Info Weblog Wiki Search Email Site Info Store

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 19, 2013, 09:07:18 am
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Cast your ballot in the 2012 Mock Election!

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  Political Debate (Moderator: Beet)
| | |-+  Is the PATRIOT Act a Conservative idea?		 « previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Poll
Question: Is the PATRIOT Act a true Conservative idea?
Yes   -15 (48.4%)
No, a true conservative would not use the patriot act   -16 (51.6%)
Show Pie Chart
Total Voters: 31

Author Topic: Is the PATRIOT Act a Conservative idea?  (Read 1113 times)
futurepres
Full Member
***
Posts: 113
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.97, S: -5.13

View Profile
« on: February 13, 2012, 06:31:07 pm »
Ignore
Title says it all.
Logged
Pacific Councillor Big Wiggly Style
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 17808
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -4.32, S: -7.04

View Profile
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 08:50:58 pm »
Ignore
Not traditionally Conservative, no.
Logged
Governor Scott
Scott
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11528
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.19, S: -4.70

View Profile
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 09:03:29 pm »
Ignore
Certainly not what I'd consider a liberal idea.
Logged
realisticidealist
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6195
Vatican City State


Political Matrix
E: -0.13, S: 3.48

View Profile
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 09:42:14 pm »
Ignore
You'll have to define "conservative" first.
Logged
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return."
shua
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 7474
Colombia


Political Matrix
E: 1.16, S: -4.00

View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 11:32:19 pm »
Ignore
It is a reactionary idea, a reaction against a certain thing to make sure that thing never happens again. That's the case with most laws. Such laws tend to dismantle established liberties, and in that sense are unconservative. But a conservative might support it in spite of this for the sake of some greater good.
Logged
"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
- Justice Robert Jackson WV SBE v Barnette

http://tinyurl.com/bx359q5
angus
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 13218
Political Matrix
E: 1.87, S: -7.65

View Profile
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 09:03:33 am »
Ignore
Quote from: shua, gm on February 13, 2012, 11:32:19 pm
It is a reactionary idea

I think that's right.  Reactionary is probably a better adjective here than conservative (or liberal). 

Anyway, I voted no.
Logged
CelticHoosier1993
Rookie
*
Posts: 46
United States


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 11:24:29 am »
Ignore
It's one of those issues that both Party leader's seem comfortable supporting. I wouldn't see it as conservative if conservatism values small government that doesn't invade a citizen's private life.
Logged

"If you're not turned on to politics, politics will turn on you"
Redalgo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1695
United States


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 07:00:35 pm »
Ignore
The PATRIOT Act was not a conservative idea until it was enacted, at which point it became a conventional stance. That does not really mean a "true" conservative must support it though.
Logged
Social liberal with market socialist, sentiocentric, and cosmopolitan tendencies.
Political Matrix results on 13/2/2013: -1.16 (Economic), -8.00 (Social)
ChairmanSanchez
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8607
United States


Political Matrix
E: 5.42, S: -1.39

P

View Profile
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 07:16:47 pm »
Ignore
Quote from: Squad Up, Squad Out on February 13, 2012, 08:50:58 pm
Not traditionally Conservative, no.
Logged
Thank You, Margaret Thatcher. You shall be missed.
Kuu ülevaade olulisematest
Xahar
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 37012
Bangladesh


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 09:17:08 pm »
Ignore
Insofar as it is associated with Conservatism (and it is), the answer is yes.
Logged
Quote from: Sibboleth on February 28, 2009, 04:08:37 pm
I'm not sure if this new tendency to appeal to the apparent inherent evil of Xahar in all things even remotely related to forum policing or this damn game is especially helpful.
InsaneTrollLogic
Angry_Weasel
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11051
United States


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 01:35:30 am »
Ignore
Its a Nationalist idea...
Logged
Pacific Councillor Big Wiggly Style
20RP12
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 17808
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -4.32, S: -7.04

View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 12:09:31 am »
Ignore
Quote from: Spreading Santorum Across America on February 18, 2012, 01:35:30 am
Its a Nationalist idea...

Yep.
Logged
Is Totally Not Feeblepizza.
Crackers
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 290
United States


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 10:38:36 am »
Ignore
I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.
Logged
lawlz
Grumps
GM3PRP
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 27970
Kenya
Political Matrix
E: 4.90, S: -6.09

View Profile
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 03:54:11 pm »
Ignore
Quote from: I ♥ Maggots on February 23, 2012, 10:38:36 am
I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.

Bush's greatest crime against humanity.
Logged
Quote from: opebo on June 05, 2013, 12:35:24 pm
Have any of you impecunious and humpbacked losers ever pulled off this pretense successfully?

Quote from: VP Duke on June 11, 2013, 05:11:02 pm
Ranch pizza is great if you're white girl wasted
I left.
Franzl
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 20473
Germany
View Profile
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 04:46:13 pm »
Ignore
Quote from: Grumps on February 23, 2012, 03:54:11 pm
Quote from: I ♥ Maggots on February 23, 2012, 10:38:36 am
I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.

Bush's greatest crime against humanity.

I dunno...I think there were probably worse ones....Wink
Logged
I've lost interest in the forum and I've wasted far too much time here.

To those I consider forum friends, it's been nice and I hope to keep contact in some form.

Cheers.
Grumps
GM3PRP
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 27970
Kenya
Political Matrix
E: 4.90, S: -6.09

View Profile
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 11:05:34 am »
Ignore
Quote from: Franzl on February 23, 2012, 04:46:13 pm
Quote from: Grumps on February 23, 2012, 03:54:11 pm
Quote from: I ♥ Maggots on February 23, 2012, 10:38:36 am
I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.

Bush's greatest crime against humanity.

I dunno...I think there were probably worse ones....Wink

None piss me off more, then Tongue
Logged
Quote from: opebo on June 05, 2013, 12:35:24 pm
Have any of you impecunious and humpbacked losers ever pulled off this pretense successfully?

Quote from: VP Duke on June 11, 2013, 05:11:02 pm
Ranch pizza is great if you're white girl wasted
pillage the village, trash the scene
Pingvin99
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2296
Russian Federation


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 02:11:12 am »
Ignore
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on February 14, 2012, 07:16:47 pm
Quote from: Squad Up, Squad Out on February 13, 2012, 08:50:58 pm
Not traditionally Conservative, no.
Logged
Right now it seems
You're only dreams and shadows
If wishes could be
eagles how you'd fly?

This is your life
This is your time

What if the flame
won't last forever?
This is your here
This is your now
Let it be magical! - Dio, "This Is Your Life"
Zach Vega
zachvega
Full Member
***
Posts: 128
United States


Political Matrix
E: 9.83, S: -6.61

P

View Profile
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 08:20:31 am »
Ignore
It's certainly not conservative, bur it's certainly not a liberal idea either. It's like a watchdawg thing.
Logged
InsaneTrollLogic
Angry_Weasel
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11051
United States


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 03:52:20 pm »
Ignore
Quote from: Standing On A Mountain, High Above The Clamor on February 19, 2012, 12:09:31 am
Quote from: Spreading Santorum Across America on February 18, 2012, 01:35:30 am
Its a Nationalist idea...

Yep.

I would go so far to say its a right-wing thing, but it could be a left-wing thing too. Definitely an illiberal thing.

I mean, you have to understand that even American Liberalism != Left-Wing. American liberalism is about standing up to the man and using Uncle Sam as the referee and traditional Liberalism is standing up to the man and having no referee because Uncle Sam is one of "the men" , Left-Wing ideology is  about standing up to the man by replacing the "man" with  Rosie O Donnell. ...and for a reference, conservatism is about not giving a phuck that you are being kept down by the man because you wouldn't be able to make it without him and Right-Wing ideology is about "the man" being "the man".
Logged
I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head
morgieb
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3053
Australia


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 05:22:36 am »
Ignore
No.

Isn't liberal though.
Logged
Tidewater_Wave
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 529
United States


View Profile
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 12:13:37 am »
Ignore
No it's not. There are parts I like but to combine all that together does not sound like something the party I belong to would or should do even though they did in 2003. At the time it sounded like a good idea and it hasn't been abused but there are too many loopholes in it that have the possibility to lead to an infringement of our liberties. I'd vote for and support a reformed Patriot Act but not the original.
Logged
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines
Forums Directory