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Question: Is the PATRIOT Act a true Conservative idea?
Yes   -16 (50%)
No, a true conservative would not use the patriot act   -16 (50%)
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« on: February 13, 2012, 06:31:07 pm »
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Title says it all.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 08:50:58 pm »
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Not traditionally Conservative, no.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 09:03:29 pm »
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Certainly not what I'd consider a liberal idea.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 09:42:14 pm »
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You'll have to define "conservative" first.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 11:32:19 pm »
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It is a reactionary idea, a reaction against a certain thing to make sure that thing never happens again. That's the case with most laws. Such laws tend to dismantle established liberties, and in that sense are unconservative. But a conservative might support it in spite of this for the sake of some greater good.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 09:03:33 am »
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It is a reactionary idea

I think that's right.  Reactionary is probably a better adjective here than conservative (or liberal). 

Anyway, I voted no.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 11:24:29 am »
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It's one of those issues that both Party leader's seem comfortable supporting. I wouldn't see it as conservative if conservatism values small government that doesn't invade a citizen's private life.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 07:00:35 pm »
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The PATRIOT Act was not a conservative idea until it was enacted, at which point it became a conventional stance. That does not really mean a "true" conservative must support it though.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 07:16:47 pm »
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Not traditionally Conservative, no.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 09:17:08 pm »
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Insofar as it is associated with Conservatism (and it is), the answer is yes.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 01:35:30 am »
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Its a Nationalist idea...
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 12:09:31 am »
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Its a Nationalist idea...

Yep.
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 10:38:36 am »
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I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 03:54:11 pm »
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I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.

Bush's greatest crime against humanity.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 04:46:13 pm »
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I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.

Bush's greatest crime against humanity.

I dunno...I think there were probably worse ones....Wink
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 11:05:34 am »
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I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.

Bush's greatest crime against humanity.

I dunno...I think there were probably worse ones....Wink

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I only had 3 sandwiches instead of my normal 4.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 02:11:12 am »
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 08:20:31 am »
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It's certainly not conservative, bur it's certainly not a liberal idea either. It's like a watchdawg thing.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 03:52:20 pm »
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I would go so far to say its a right-wing thing, but it could be a left-wing thing too. Definitely an illiberal thing.

I mean, you have to understand that even American Liberalism != Left-Wing. American liberalism is about standing up to the man and using Uncle Sam as the referee and traditional Liberalism is standing up to the man and having no referee because Uncle Sam is one of "the men" , Left-Wing ideology is  about standing up to the man by replacing the "man" with  Rosie O Donnell. ...and for a reference, conservatism is about not giving a phuck that you are being kept down by the man because you wouldn't be able to make it without him and Right-Wing ideology is about "the man" being "the man".
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 05:22:36 am »
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No.

Isn't liberal though.
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 12:13:37 am »
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No it's not. There are parts I like but to combine all that together does not sound like something the party I belong to would or should do even though they did in 2003. At the time it sounded like a good idea and it hasn't been abused but there are too many loopholes in it that have the possibility to lead to an infringement of our liberties. I'd vote for and support a reformed Patriot Act but not the original.
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