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« Reply #900 on: September 10, 2012, 10:18:49 PM »

Will the victory of PQ in this election affect the New Democrat's hold on Quebec in 2015?
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« Reply #901 on: September 11, 2012, 12:24:14 AM »

Will the victory of PQ in this election affect the New Democrat's hold on Quebec in 2015?

I doubt it, since provincial and federal politics are completely disconnected since the 60's.
They know those are two different levels of government and vote differently.

In other news, Philippe Couillard (Health minister 2003-2008, MNA for Mont-Royal 2003-2007 and Jean-Talon 2007-2008) is considering a run.

I fail to see how he would be an asset, given than he was negiociating his future job in the private health sector when he was still the Health minister, which isn't very clean nor ethical.
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« Reply #902 on: September 11, 2012, 11:55:56 AM »

It's a little bit overly reductive to say that federal and provincial politics have no effect on one another (the NDP's poor performance in Nova Scotia and Manitoba in 2011 can be attributed to the NDP being in power in those provinces), but there's no relationship whatsoever between the Parti Québécois and the New Democratic Party.
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« Reply #903 on: September 11, 2012, 03:26:08 PM »

The PLQ will choose their new leader in February or thereabouts.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections/quebec-liberals-plan-quick-race-to-replace-jean-charest/article4536952/

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201209/11/01-4573085-chef-du-plq-elements-de-reponse-en-octobre.php

The LG gets a one-year term extension.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201209/10/01-4572857-le-mandat-du-lieutenant-gouverneur-prolonge.php?
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« Reply #904 on: September 11, 2012, 04:11:33 PM »

I fail to see how he would be an asset, given than he was negiociating his future job in the private health sector when he was still the Health minister, which isn't very clean nor ethical.

How so?
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« Reply #905 on: September 11, 2012, 04:19:44 PM »

Not the best idea for conflict of interest reasons. Anyhoo this is shaping up to be a pretty good field. I'd peg Bachand or Seguin the early favourites without Couillard. With Couillard there isn't much of a contest.
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« Reply #906 on: September 11, 2012, 05:42:33 PM »

I fail to see how he would be an asset, given than he was negiociating his future job in the private health sector when he was still the Health minister, which isn't very clean nor ethical.

How so?

Oh don't be silly now.
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« Reply #907 on: September 11, 2012, 06:07:34 PM »

Fun fact: neither the PLQ nor the PQ has ever had a truly open leadership contest.

1958: Lesage coronation.
1970: Convention rigged for Bourassa by then-Architect Paul Desrochers.
1978: Ryan sweep. Similar to the PLC's 1984 contest- serious insider loses to messianic outsider.
1983: Bourassa coronation.
1993: Johnson acclamation.
1998: Charest acclamation.

1985: Levesque installed Pierre-Marc Johnson as his successor despite serious opposition from the hardliners.
1987: Johnson overthrown by hardliners and replaced by Parizeau.
1996: Bouchard coronated.
2001: Landry outmaneuvers Marois in caucus dealings.
2005: Serious insider Marois gets trounced by outsider Boisclair.
2007: Marois acclaimed after Duceppe realizes he can't beat her.
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« Reply #908 on: September 11, 2012, 06:34:08 PM »

I remember 2005 when Boisclair's poll numbers went up when it was discovered he had been using cocaine while in office.
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« Reply #909 on: September 11, 2012, 08:13:45 PM »

I fail to see how he would be an asset, given than he was negiociating his future job in the private health sector when he was still the Health minister, which isn't very clean nor ethical.

How so?

Well, conflict on interest. He could be tempted to use his position as a minister to give advantages to the place he will go work.
That would be harmless usually, but the PLQ is under clouds of corruption, they should take a very clean leader.
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« Reply #910 on: September 11, 2012, 09:29:58 PM »

So there is a PLQ politician named Couillard ?

All French-speakers can imagine why I'm ROFLing.
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« Reply #911 on: September 11, 2012, 09:41:02 PM »

I fail to see how he would be an asset, given than he was negiociating his future job in the private health sector when he was still the Health minister, which isn't very clean nor ethical.

How so?

Well, conflict on interest. He could be tempted to use his position as a minister to give advantages to the place he will go work.
That would be harmless usually, but the PLQ is under clouds of corruption, they should take a very clean leader.

Ah, OK. Now that seems obvious. I thought it was a British-style Ken Livingstone private-healthcare-is-bad type scandal, instead it's something reasonable.

So there is a PLQ politician named Couillard ?

All French-speakers can imagine why I'm ROFLing.

I don't speak French...why are you ROFLing?
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« Reply #912 on: September 11, 2012, 09:52:25 PM »

I fail to see how he would be an asset, given than he was negiociating his future job in the private health sector when he was still the Health minister, which isn't very clean nor ethical.

How so?

Well, conflict on interest. He could be tempted to use his position as a minister to give advantages to the place he will go work.
That would be harmless usually, but the PLQ is under clouds of corruption, they should take a very clean leader.

Ah, OK. Now that seems obvious. I thought it was a British-style Ken Livingstone private-healthcare-is-bad type scandal, instead it's something reasonable.

So there is a PLQ politician named Couillard ?

All French-speakers can imagine why I'm ROFLing.

I don't speak French...why are you ROFLing?

Because "couilles" translates as "balls" in English. On top of that Couillard is a neurosurgeon by profession... Tongue
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« Reply #913 on: September 11, 2012, 11:08:23 PM »

I fail to see how he would be an asset, given than he was negiociating his future job in the private health sector when he was still the Health minister, which isn't very clean nor ethical.

How so?

Well, conflict on interest. He could be tempted to use his position as a minister to give advantages to the place he will go work.
That would be harmless usually, but the PLQ is under clouds of corruption, they should take a very clean leader.

Ah, OK. Now that seems obvious. I thought it was a British-style Ken Livingstone private-healthcare-is-bad type scandal, instead it's something reasonable.

So there is a PLQ politician named Couillard ?

All French-speakers can imagine why I'm ROFLing.

I don't speak French...why are you ROFLing?

Because "couilles" translates as "balls" in English. On top of that Couillard is a neurosurgeon by profession... Tongue

Well, he isn't a neurosurgeon anymore, now, he sits on various committees and biotech business administration councils, teaches at university the health administration and is/was a partner in a private healthcare equity.
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« Reply #914 on: September 13, 2012, 08:04:33 PM »

Sam Hamad and Lise Thériault not running in leadership race. It looks like Couillard and Moreau are the most serious candidates, with maybe Bachand.

I would like a race that shows if there are different ideologies in the party, positions on health care for example. I want more than a popularity contest from a party that has a contested leadership for the first time in 30 years. 
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« Reply #915 on: September 13, 2012, 08:15:22 PM »

Bachand is pretty conservative. Unsure about Couillard.
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« Reply #916 on: September 13, 2012, 09:40:45 PM »

Couillard is running.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2012/09/13/001-course-plq-couillard-theriault.shtml
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« Reply #917 on: September 14, 2012, 11:11:35 PM »

Hilarious: Cauchon is double-dipping. I've never heard of such a thing.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201209/13/01-4573920-direction-du-plq-martin-cauchon-tate-le-terrain.php


Not so hilarious, indeed rather pukeworthy: $800 million budget hole.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/359205/le-plq-laisse-un-trou-de-800-millions-au-pq
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« Reply #918 on: September 14, 2012, 11:44:33 PM »

Hilarious: Cauchon is double-dipping. I've never heard of such a thing.

At least, he isn't triple-dipping with Montreal mayorship.
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« Reply #919 on: September 17, 2012, 05:35:34 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2012, 06:38:24 PM by Romney/Ryan 2012! »

Cabinet gets sworn in Wednesday, new Assembly won't convene for a month.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/behind+scenes+look+change+power+Quebec/7245084/story.html

Pelletier isn't running.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/ottawa/2012/09/17/006-benoitpelletier-course-retrait.shtml
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« Reply #920 on: September 18, 2012, 09:26:19 AM »

Couillard is already rounding up support, will formally announce next week. Ditto Moreau.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201209/18/01-4574999-plq-philippe-couillard-fait-le-plein-dappuis.php
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« Reply #921 on: September 19, 2012, 07:48:24 PM »

Cabinet announced today, government sworn in. So IMO, that's it for this thread. Will put up the PLQ leadership thread once a date is announced, till then I'll post about that in the General thread. No major surprises in the lineup.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201209/19/01-4575630-duchesne-a-leducation-marceau-aux-finances-hebert-a-la-sante.php

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« Reply #922 on: September 19, 2012, 11:51:52 PM »

Well, there is two major changes which are than the Municipal Affairs and the Transportation are under the same minister, whose goal is to transfrom the Transportation Ministry in an agency instead of a ministry.

The other is than the universities are totally separated from the Education Ministry and are now under a new "Ministry of Higher Education, Research, Sciences and Technologies".
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« Reply #923 on: September 24, 2012, 03:23:09 PM »
« Edited: September 26, 2012, 04:38:11 PM by Comrade Sibboleth »



Sorry about the general lateness of this, but I don't have much genuine free time these days. The other three maps will be on their way at some point soon; hopefully all by the end of the week. Anyway. Pretty.
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« Reply #924 on: September 25, 2012, 03:15:43 PM »

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