Quebec General Election 2012 (4th September)

[RogueBeaver]

Duceppe can still make news when he wants to despite his involuntary retirement. And yes he still has a (diminished) goodwill reservoir within the movement.

[HPoirot]

It will be interesting to see what effect Jacques Duchesneau running for the CAQ in Saint-Jérôme will have. How much will it help the CAQ. Will it hurt more the PQ or PLQ.

La Presse has a map made from the political donor's list.
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/carte-du-financement-politique-au-quebec/?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_hotTopics_sujets-a-la-une_1664122_accueil_POS1

[Senator MaxQue]

Legault is taking a risk with Duchesneau.
I don't see Duchesneau obeying to a party line and to someone.

[RogueBeaver]

Indeed Duschesneau is already overshadowing Legault.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/sujet/elections-quebec-2012/2012/08/06/002-legault-duschesneau-nommer-ministres.shtml

I've hated these gimmicky tax credits since '04, hate them even more with every election regardless of authorship.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/06/01-4562692-le-plq-promet-100-par-enfant-pour-la-rentree-de-2013.php

Students protesting in Sherbrooke.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/elections-2012/356158/la-feuq-dans-le-chateau-fort-de-charest

[RogueBeaver]

Marois starts fed-bashing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1237828--quebec-election-marois-says-odious-federal-ei-overhaul-is-more-reason-for-independence

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections/pq-would-battle-newfoudland-over-st-lawrence-oil-deposit-marois/article4465486/

[RogueBeaver]

The bigger problem is his lack of a university degree.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/06/01-4562815-bureau-blouin-trop-jeune-pour-etre-ministre-dit-marois.php

[Senator MaxQue]

The bigger problem is his lack of a university degree.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/06/01-4562815-bureau-blouin-trop-jeune-pour-etre-ministre-dit-marois.php

How come? It's insulting for the working-class.
Well, I agree on Marois on this one, but not with your point.

EDIT: By the way, one minister, Norm MacMillan has no university degree.
There is no information if Lise Thériault (Labor Minister) has one, too.

[HPoirot]

She doesn't have a degree.

Lise Thériault a appris à l'école de la vie. «J'avais hâte de travailler», répond-elle, un peu embarrassée, lorsqu'on lui demande pourquoi elle n'a pas fait d'études universitaires.

Source:
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/dossiers/commission-charbonneau/201110/28/01-4462477-lise-theriault-la-femme-qui-fait-trembler-la-ftq.php

[RogueBeaver]

More bri... I mean tax credits.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/07/01-4563007-jean-charest-propose-un-credit-dimpot-pour-la-renovation-verte.php

Bad move, swing voters won't like that sort of red meat.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/07/01-4562958-les-liberaux-menacent-lidentite-quebecoise-dit-pauline-marois.php?

Legault: kill the health tax.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/elections-2012/356238/legault-promet-d-eliminer-la-taxe-sante-et-de-reduire-progressivement-les-impots

[Senator MaxQue]

In a normal world, Charest would be prosecuted for buying votes and improperly spending the taxpayers' money. It's ridiculous. And, for me, it is insulting. He raises tuition because "we need to be fiscally responsible", yet, he offers to spend ridiculous amounts of money on silly things.
It's vote-buying and it should be illegal.

Marois and nationalism. Nothing special there, she repeats what she is saying since months. Shouldn't swing anymore towards her, neither against her.

Legault promises more services and less taxes, which is dubious. Even if I agree than the non-progressive health tax should be scrapped.

[lilTommy]

Marois is just making talking to her die-hard base of sovereingtist, just like the NDP still talks up to Labour, its your base its going to happen. Plus with so many other "left" options she is bound to lose some support on the soft-nationalist side to QS maybe ON; so shes talking rough with Harper, Royals, etc.

PLQ are desperate, hence why they are yelling and screaming that the you need to vote PLQ or the country will explode, again talking to the base.

CAQ; not surprised, they are trying to be the ADQ, but they just sound like they have no idea how to run things... they should just stick with the corruption schtick

Vote compas! I'm in the 70% range for both QS and Greens; below 50% CAQ & PLQ... i'm less nationalist (obviously) so i lose points with QS/PQ and gain some with the PLQ (cringe)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebecvotes2012/features/votecompass.html

[Leftbehind]

Vote compas! I'm in the 70% range for both QS and Greens; below 50% CAQ & PLQ... i'm less nationalist (obviously) so i lose points with QS/PQ and gain some with the PLQ (cringe)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebecvotes2012/features/votecompass.html

Same results as you have.

[Hatman]

Their chart uses "identity" on their y axis and "socio economic" for the x axis.

It says I cam closest to the Greens on the chart, but I agree with ON the most.

[Holmes]

[RogueBeaver]

I'm roughly X 3-something, Y 1.5 something.

[You kip if you want to...]

And i'd probably not vote Green, so...

[Hatman]

Nearly identical, but of course, you always have to be slightly more right wing than me. You must be against gay marriage or something

[Supersonic]

I was just below the Quebec Liberal Party. Including 'importance', I'm dead on the QLP.

Although I apparently agreed with CAQ on 66% of issues. With the QLP on 65%.

[I Am Damo Suzuki]

I'm just below the greens on the identity axis and exactly in the same place on the socio-economic. Somewhat predictable. Not really very enthusiastic about the candidates or party platforms.

How Much You Agree with the Parties: GRN75% QS71% ON64% PQ64% CAQ54% QLP52%

[Rhodie]

How Much you agree with the Parties

CAQ: 59%
PLQ: 59%
PQ: 31%
GRN: 26%
ON: 16%
QS: 8%

[RogueBeaver]

CAQ wants more family leave.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/08/01-4563349-francois-legault-cible-les-parents-de-jeunes-enfants.php

Charest wants expanded dental coverage.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/08/01-4563316-jean-charest-veut-elargir-la-couverture-des-soins-dentaires.php

Libman endorses Legault.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/08/01-4563234-robert-libman-suggere-de-voter-pour-francois-legault.php?

Charest rips off Harper's home reno tax credit.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/elections-2012/356323/les-liberaux-proposent-un-credit-d-impot-a-la-renovation

Oh sheizer.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/elections-2012/356330/la-commission-charbonneau-s-invite-dans-la-campagne

Dream on.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/sujet/elections-quebec-2012/2012/08/08/007-pq-rapatriement-assurance-emploi-ottawa.shtml

[Marcus Aurelius]

I took the Vote compass test and this is what I got :
- ON and QS 83% (but closer to QS on the chart)
- Green 75%
- PQ 70%
- Caq 48%
- PLQ 32%

I'm a little bit surprised and amused that I agree more with the right-wing Caq than with the flabby-leftish PLQ, but I tend to hate the party in power.

Just a question : I had read a few things about this Option nationale thingy, but could you describe it to me ? I seem to agree with them on many topics, might as well know who they are and where they're from ideologically...

[Hashemite]

The PLQ isn't remotely leftist in any sense of the word.

[lilTommy]

I took the Vote compass test and this is what I got :
- ON and QS 83% (but closer to QS on the chart)
- Green 75%
- PQ 70%
- Caq 48%
- PLQ 32%

I'm a little bit surprised and amused that I agree more with the right-wing Caq than with the flabby-leftish PLQ, but I tend to hate the party in power.

Just a question : I had read a few things about this Option nationale thingy, but could you describe it to me ? I seem to agree with them on many topics, might as well know who they are and where they're from ideologically...

I don't even know if the PLQ has ever been leftwing? federalist is really what they cling too...

Option Nationale was created by the MNA Jean-Martin Aussant who left the PQ; they seem to be harder of sovereignty then the PQ (as in if they form government thats their mandate to be a fully automonist country before they hold a referendum on a new constitution) ideologically seems pretty much the shadow of the PQ.
Lise Lapointe is a member, but still sat as an indie;
QS has an agreement with them not to run candidates in each of the leaders ridings (no QS in Nicolet--Yamaska, no ON in Gouin)
Umm thats all i got

[RogueBeaver]

The PLQ has been centre-left/centrist since the late '30s. Before that they were classical liberals. Remember who nationalized a whole bunch of stuff in the '60s and created Quebec's Medicare program... not the PQ.

Legault: longer high school day.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/09/01-4563636-francois-legault-entend-prolonger-les-journees-au-secondaire.php

More Grit tax credits.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2012/201208/09/01-4563628-le-plq-promet-un-credit-dimpot-pour-investir-dans-le-plan-nord.php?

CLASSE lashes out at the PQ and LBB. Last night about 200 of them tried to start something downtown and were chased away by riot police.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/dossiers/elections-quebecoises/201208/09/01-4563522-la-classe-ecorche-le-pq-et-leo-bureau-blouin.php?

Marois invites disgruntled federalists to vote PQ.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/elections-2012/356412/marois-invite-les-federalistes-fatigues-a-rejoindre-le-pq

Charest has a "clear conscience" about reports that the SQ is being used for political purposes. No shame.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/sujet/elections-quebec-2012/2012/08/09/003-interruption-filature-reactions.shtml