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« Reply #825 on: September 04, 2012, 08:48:46 pm »
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They also lost Argenteuil by a bigger margin than in the by-election.
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« Reply #826 on: September 04, 2012, 08:53:10 pm »
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It's getting tougher and tougher to hope for a PQ majority or even a PQ-QS majority. QS will stick at 2, and PQ is heading towards 58 or 59, not less, not more.
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« Reply #827 on: September 04, 2012, 09:07:52 pm »
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Networks have already projected a PQ minority.
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« Reply #828 on: September 04, 2012, 09:41:32 pm »
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Networks just projected Charest's defeat in Sherbrooke. BOOM.
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« Reply #829 on: September 04, 2012, 09:46:55 pm »
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there is not a big difference between first and second in number of seats. I guess it's true the PLQ starts an election with 40 seats.
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« Reply #830 on: September 04, 2012, 09:49:32 pm »
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Harper has just released a statement congratulating Marois on her victory.
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« Reply #831 on: September 04, 2012, 10:11:08 pm »
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Hopefully this coalition won't last until the next Federal election.
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« Reply #832 on: September 04, 2012, 10:11:42 pm »
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Charest about to give his concession speech.
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« Reply #833 on: September 04, 2012, 10:36:27 pm »
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Charest conceded but isn't resigning the Liberal leadership tonight. Marois will be asked to form a government tomorrow, making her premier-designate. Swearing-in roughly 2 weeks from now. New Assembly convenes in mid-October.
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« Reply #834 on: September 04, 2012, 10:38:41 pm »
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Only 56 seats... Meh. It's going to be a pretty frail government. But at least, Québec is rid from Charest, probably for good.
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« Reply #835 on: September 04, 2012, 10:43:55 pm »
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Some commentators are suggesting (just opinions, no scoops) Charest might not resign, instead seek a safer seat... but IMO that's doubtful. He's gone.

Antonio: 2007 was almost as narrow seats-wise. Only 1% difference in PV.
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« Reply #836 on: September 04, 2012, 11:05:36 pm »
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Shots were fired outside the arena where Marois was speaking. Police have the suspect in custody, building evacuated and Marois whisked away. No injuries.
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« Reply #837 on: September 04, 2012, 11:14:29 pm »
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The shooter also started a fire behind that arena.
Finally, the building wasn't evacuated and Marios insisted to come back finish her speech.
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« Reply #838 on: September 04, 2012, 11:19:16 pm »
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The fire was apparently caused by an explosion, so, it is called a bombing by the press.
The bomber shouted, in French, with an English accent, "The English are waking up", media is reporting.
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« Reply #839 on: September 04, 2012, 11:20:05 pm »
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CBC is reporting it was a starter pistol that was fired.
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« Reply #840 on: September 04, 2012, 11:33:35 pm »
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Two injuried, in critical state.
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« Reply #841 on: September 04, 2012, 11:43:25 pm »
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Well, according to CBC, the final numbers are:

PQ - 54
QLP - 50
CAQ - 19
QS - 2

I definitely overestimated the amount of people who would jump ship from the Liberals.  And even PQ didn't do as well as I'd thought.  The big loser tonight was really CAQ, who underperformed most everyone's prediction, and QLP should be happy they performed as well as they did.
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« Reply #842 on: September 04, 2012, 11:50:57 pm »
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Some Anglo radio is reporting than there is 1 fatality.

EDIT: Police is confirming.
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« Reply #843 on: September 05, 2012, 12:00:25 am »
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CBC has confirmed one death.
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« Reply #844 on: September 05, 2012, 12:17:16 am »
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Tragic and disturbing.
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« Reply #845 on: September 05, 2012, 12:18:36 am »
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Well, according to CBC, the final numbers are:

PQ - 54
QLP - 50
CAQ - 19
QS - 2

I definitely overestimated the amount of people who would jump ship from the Liberals.  And even PQ didn't do as well as I'd thought.  The big loser tonight was really CAQ, who underperformed most everyone's prediction, and QLP should be happy they performed as well as they did.

The big loser tonight is really the PQ. They expected a  governing majority, with or without QS, but, ended up with little more than a mandate to organize trash collection at the sufferage of the PLQ/CAQ majority. The CAQ won over 27% of the vote as expected. Like the PQ, they didn't win as many seats as expected because the PLQ won more seats than expected. Unlike the CAQ, the PQ failed to reach their expected vote percentage.

Presumably, one of the first acts of the PQ will be, essentially, an inquiry as to whether the PLQ was a bunch of crooks. The CAQ would have every reason to let that investigation go forward unimpeded.  If the PLQ is shown to have been a bunch of crooks, exactly which party is going to lead the charge against separatism in the next election? 
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« Reply #846 on: September 05, 2012, 12:23:11 am »
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« Reply #847 on: September 05, 2012, 12:31:06 am »
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In better news, the turnout is finally 74%, the highest since 1998.
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« Reply #848 on: September 05, 2012, 01:06:10 am »
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Were you beaten up by a sovereigntist as a kid or something?

Actually, I was rooting for the referendum the last time it came to a vote. Unfortunately, something like 40% of Francophones and almost all of the English speakers voted against. Since then, support has only eroded. Jean Charest correctly noted that the future of Quebec is as a part of Canada. This election only confirms that fact. I suppose there is something romantic in pursuing a hopeless cause.

In any case, Sovereignty won't alter Quebec's linguistic destiny. While in a hundred years the language spoken there might be called "French," it will be Franglais at best. Force majeure isn't going to change that fact.
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« Reply #849 on: September 05, 2012, 01:36:58 am »
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Yeah, PQ were losers tonight as well, compared to what they "should" have gotten, but I'm reluctant to call them a loser if they still get to form a government.
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