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« Reply #125 on: July 15, 2014, 11:58:48 pm »
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and still broke and friendless.
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The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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« Reply #126 on: July 16, 2014, 01:02:36 am »
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Netanyahu has just sacked deputy defense minister Danny Danon, for criticism of Pillar (ie they didn't send ground troops in)
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-fires-danny-danon-over-criticism-of-gaza-war/

First sane thing he's done in a LONG time.
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« Reply #127 on: July 16, 2014, 05:05:24 am »
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His handling of this mess has been insane so far?
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« Reply #128 on: July 16, 2014, 06:25:56 am »
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Seeing a lot of rinky dink Jewish websites retroactively attributing the break up of Likud Betanyu to Lieberman wanting to invade Gaza.
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« Reply #129 on: July 17, 2014, 12:46:17 am »
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His handling of this mess has been insane so far?
Considering that Netanyahu did as much as possible to inflame the situation (gag orders plus wagging tongue touching off on Fatah-Hamas unity government), the answer is clearly yes.
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« Reply #130 on: July 17, 2014, 02:19:07 am »
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So the worst he's done so far is a gag order and breaking up Fatah and Hamas?  Weird.

So, the UN suggested ceasefire was agreed to by Israel (no surprise) and Hamas (sorta surprise) and started about 18 minutes ago.
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The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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« Reply #131 on: July 17, 2014, 12:09:18 pm »
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Umm... they knew about the teenagers deaths the ENTIRE time the "search" was going on. The entire search was just a highly transparent attempt to break up Hamas in the West Bank, which is ironic, because a) he completely failed, b) Hamas proper had nothing to do with the kidnapping, and c) Hamas in retaliation started firing rockets. So yes, I do agree that the entire mess is 80% Netanyahu's fault.
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« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2014, 12:21:34 pm »
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Umm... they knew about the teenagers deaths the ENTIRE time the "search" was going on. The entire search was just a highly transparent attempt to break up Hamas in the West Bank, which is ironic, because a) he completely failed, b) Hamas proper had nothing to do with the kidnapping, and c) Hamas in retaliation started firing rockets. So yes, I do agree that the entire mess is 80% Netanyahu's fault.
So you're suggesting they SHOULDN"T have been looking for the bodies?  They shouldn't have been trying to arrest the people responsible?  How do you know Hamas "proper" (whatever that's supposed to mean) had nothing to do with the kidnapping?  Did you know Hamas (and pals) had fired 119 rockets between Jan 1 and the date of the kidnappings?
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The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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« Reply #133 on: July 17, 2014, 12:37:49 pm »
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To address your questions:
1) When they found out the teenagers were dead (aka the DAY AFTER the abduction), they should have announced it, and not have placed a gag order on it. If I remember correctly, in the SOS phone call, one of the teens even identified the location they were at. What this shows is that Netanyahu did not give a rat's tail whether the teenagers were alive or dead, he wanted to use the "search" for the boys in order to break up Hamas in the West Bank, which did not have anything to do with the kidnapping.

2) In retrospect, it should have been clear that Hamas did not order the kidnappings. Why? Because, contrary to typical Hamas procedure, they never claimed responsibility. It is now known that the so-called "Hamas in Hebron", a semi-independent Hamas cell, was behind it, did not receive orders from Hamas headquarters, and moreover is known more as a terror crime family than as an integrated subgroup of Hamas.
This is not the first time they've tried to play Israel and Hamas against each other. In 2003, they staged a terror attack in Jerusalem to sabotage a ceasefire. Israel being Israel, they conduct the assassination of the Hamas number 3 man, who opposed suicide bombings.  It seems they have succeeded yet again. http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/201172/unruly-hebron-clan-pushes-hamas-and-israel-to/?

3) You seemed to have your facts slightly messed up. There were rockets fired, but almost none were by Hamas, rather by other local jihadi outfits. Hamas has (semi-competently) played the cop in Gaza, grudgingly dismantling rocket launch sites when they find them.

EDIT: Essentially this whole thing has been: Hamas in Hebron shooting Hamas in the chest, with Israel picking up the gun and shooting its own foot.
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