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Denmark   -3 (13%)
Finland   -12 (52.2%)
Iceland   -5 (21.7%)
Norway   -2 (8.7%)
Sweden   -1 (4.3%)
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« on: September 01, 2015, 11:38:05 am »
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What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 11:41:13 am »
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Iceland has been more dominated by conservatives historically - its left has often been dividided while the Independence Party mops up.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 11:54:15 am »
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Probably Finland.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 11:56:07 am »
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Depends how you define conservative, but small c- conservative from most to least today:

1. Finland
2. Norway
3. Iceland
4. Sweden
5. Denmark
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 12:01:06 pm »
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Also, by only including sovereign states you leave out the obvious answer: the Faroe Islands.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 01:55:07 pm »
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To those voting Iceland in this thread.

You are talking about a country that:

- elected a stand-up comedian and bunch of punk rockers to led their capital
- elected the worlds first Lesbian Prime Minister
- has the worlds strongest Pirate Party, which has been polling at 30%+ for months
- unlike all other Nordic countries does not have a Bible Belt
- has the strongest and most militant atheist movement in Scandinavia
- has the second strongest feminist movement after Sweden
- there 70%+ of the population lives in a large city (by Nordic standards)
- where culturally leftist parties are currently polling around 62% combined
- unlike all other Nordic countries doesn't have a right wing populist party (at least not one poling at more than 1%)
- doesn't have a SoCon or Christian Democratic party

Icelanders like their cultural traditions and they have historically preferred a Conservative party, but they are also a fairly radical bunch in many areas.
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« Reply #6 on: Today at 07:53:59 am »
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LOL at someone actually voting for Sweden.

I did the cultural conservatism rating above. The current politically right wing rating from most to least is:

1. Finland
2. Denmark
3. Iceland (#)
4. Norway
5. Sweden

This is more tricky than the culture thing because there is still a stronger element of Liberalism in the Danish right wing than in the other countries, so whether being to the right of Sweden and Norway in itself makes us more Conservative is up for debate. Note that I consider the Norwegian Progress Party as de facto a rather generic right wing party by now, although still populist. Denmark at this point having the most comprehensive universal welfare state is then a further complication. "Leftist" Sweden has cut far deeper than us.


Size of the welfare state:

1. Denmark
2. Norway
3. Sweden
4. Finland/Iceland

But is having a large universal welfare state necessarily at odds with being Conservative in a Nordic context? (DPP at least claims it isn't..).

# It makes no sense comparing contemporary Icelandic politics to the pre-crash era. The balance is changed and IP has stabilized on a level far below their historical strength. The 2013 PP craze was a populist backlash after disappointed expectations and a dream of an easy way out of the debt, not an expression of an ideological swing to the right - the centre-right government quickly became unpopular and has remained so despite delivering decent economic results because most voters simply disagree with it on fundamental areas.
Iceland has gotten a radical streak and may well be to the left of Norway right now, but since the traditional left is so discredited and 10% of voters are still members of IP (far stronger than any mainland Conservative - or other - party) I place them a bit further to the right, but more likely to move leftwards than any of the mainland Scandinavian countries.
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« Reply #7 on: Today at 08:13:40 am »
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I'm amazed by Denmark having a bigger welfare state than both Norway and Sweden. Is this because Denmark didn't do as much privatization as Sweden did in the 1990s? Haven't the blue bloc parties tried to cut the welfare state in their rather long period in office?
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