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« Reply #325 on: April 12, 2017, 03:07:19 am »
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apparently the Turnbull government is going to let young people raid their superannuation to buy a home, because they won't ever get to retire anyway.
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« Reply #326 on: April 13, 2017, 07:23:39 am »
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The apex gang has now been declared a non-entity by Victoria police, with essentially the entire leadership now behind bars

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-12/victoria-police-declare-apex-crime-gang-non-entity/8440312

Vic. Police has also come out saying that the gang was never overly african in composition, in contradiction to what the (mostly Murdoch owned) Australian media has been showing (Thank god for the ABC, and The Age existing in today's society...).
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« Reply #327 on: April 14, 2017, 03:16:15 am »
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The apex gang has now been declared a non-entity by Victoria police, with essentially the entire leadership now behind bars

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-12/victoria-police-declare-apex-crime-gang-non-entity/8440312

Vic. Police has also come out saying that the gang was never overly african in composition, in contradiction to what the (mostly Murdoch owned) Australian media has been showing (Thank god for the ABC, and The Age existing in today's society...).

I've been saying for years that the ABC is the only real new outlet that reports facts, rather than the stupid neutrality bias that other stations are obsessed with. The ABC doesn't care who they piss off-they do their job, and do it damned well.

The only reason the right wants to cut funding is because the ABC has reported some very inconvenient facts for them.
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« Reply #328 on: April 14, 2017, 06:21:20 pm »
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Certain elements of the ABC are pro-Labor.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/qa-malcolm-turnbull-tony-jones-in-testy-exchange/news-story/2b720d349745fafab8c077f9dbb800b1

Tony Jones is Kevin Rudd in a slightly worse haircut.

He is ridiculous to Liberal members of the panel. He jumps in and explains Labor's position and always criticizes Liberal positions.
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« Reply #329 on: April 15, 2017, 02:56:18 am »
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The ABC I watch routinely runs scare stories about African youth, playing the same few clips over and over in stories where the footage is completely irrelevant.  In fact, in their neverending effort to not be defunded by the Coalition, they are always trying to present a false "fairness" which elevates blatant lies by the Coalition to the same level of merit as actual facts.  Sadly the ABC is complicit in the dumbing down of our political atmosphere.  Still, they are alone among the basic networks in providing any reasonable television coverage.
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« Reply #330 on: April 15, 2017, 05:26:34 am »
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The ABC I watch routinely runs scare stories about African youth, playing the same few clips over and over in stories where the footage is completely irrelevant.  In fact, in their neverending effort to not be defunded by the Coalition, they are always trying to present a false "fairness" which elevates blatant lies by the Coalition to the same level of merit as actual facts.  Sadly the ABC is complicit in the dumbing down of our political atmosphere.  Still, they are alone among the basic networks in providing any reasonable television coverage.
we could probably blame that on that Murdoch puppet Director, Michelle Guthries.
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« Reply #331 on: April 18, 2017, 02:42:53 am »
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The weekly "bludgertrack"



Source: https://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2017/04/17/bludgertrack-52-9-47-1-labor/

You gotta love the 2PP graph trend since the election.
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« Reply #332 on: April 19, 2017, 08:42:25 am »
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Terrible news: Palmer United disbands.
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« Reply #333 on: April 19, 2017, 09:09:51 am »
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Terrible news: Palmer United disbands.

Oh how utterly terrible.
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« Reply #334 on: April 19, 2017, 12:21:47 pm »
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Terrible news: Palmer United disbands.

God, the end of an era...

In other news, Labor is going to formally challenge the new Family First's senator's eligibility to sit in Parliament because of purported concerns over dual citizenship.
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« Reply #335 on: April 19, 2017, 03:00:40 pm »
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Terrible news: Palmer United disbands.

God, the end of an era...

In other news, Labor is going to formally challenge the new Family First's senator's eligibility to sit in Parliament because of purported concerns over dual citizenship.

Gichuhi, right? Since she's the last person on the South Australian FFP list, if she is kicked out of the Senate (what a fail for Family First, having an entire list of people ineligible to serve), there would be a recount of those votes with probably Labor but possibly One Nation picking up a seat, correct?

EDIT: Although this seems unlikely to happen since under what was then Kenyan law, she lost her Kenyan citizenship in 1989. Means Gichuhi doesn't hold any citizenship other than Australian and hasn't in 28 years. Also, if Gichuhi is seated, she becomes the first African-Australian to serve in Parliament, which is an interesting milestone.
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« Reply #336 on: April 19, 2017, 05:32:29 pm »
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Terrible news: Palmer United disbands.

God, the end of an era...

In other news, Labor is going to formally challenge the new Family First's senator's eligibility to sit in Parliament because of purported concerns over dual citizenship.

Gichuhi, right? Since she's the last person on the South Australian FFP list, if she is kicked out of the Senate (what a fail for Family First, having an entire list of people ineligible to serve), there would be a recount of those votes with probably Labor but possibly One Nation picking up a seat, correct?

EDIT: Although this seems unlikely to happen since under what was then Kenyan law, she lost her Kenyan citizenship in 1989. Means Gichuhi doesn't hold any citizenship other than Australian and hasn't in 28 years. Also, if Gichuhi is seated, she becomes the first African-Australian to serve in Parliament, which is an interesting milestone.

It's uncertain what happens; that's never really happened before. No idea if there's a recount or by-election or anything else.
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« Reply #337 on: April 19, 2017, 06:20:29 pm »
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Terrible news: Palmer United disbands.

God, the end of an era...

In other news, Labor is going to formally challenge the new Family First's senator's eligibility to sit in Parliament because of purported concerns over dual citizenship.

Gichuhi, right? Since she's the last person on the South Australian FFP list, if she is kicked out of the Senate (what a fail for Family First, having an entire list of people ineligible to serve), there would be a recount of those votes with probably Labor but possibly One Nation picking up a seat, correct?

EDIT: Although this seems unlikely to happen since under what was then Kenyan law, she lost her Kenyan citizenship in 1989. Means Gichuhi doesn't hold any citizenship other than Australian and hasn't in 28 years. Also, if Gichuhi is seated, she becomes the first African-Australian to serve in Parliament, which is an interesting milestone.

It's uncertain what happens; that's never really happened before. No idea if there's a recount or by-election or anything else.

No, it would be quite clear. If Gichuhi was deemed invalidly elected, the AEC would simply conduct another recount with her votes excluded and most likely see Labor elected to the seat. By-elections to not exist for single seats in the Senate. The whole Senate election could be deemed invalid as with WA in 2013, but that was down to misplaced ballots.

Also, the claims against Gichuhi do not seem particularly credible to hold up in court but we shall see.
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« Reply #338 on: April 20, 2017, 04:51:37 pm »
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Turnbull introduces tougher tests on citizenship for Africans.

More questions about wife beating and child marriage etc plus a 4 year wait for citizenship to be granted.

We are getting a lot of weird anti-social crime from our Sudanese immigrants perhaps?





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« Reply #339 on: April 21, 2017, 07:10:26 am »
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Turnbuull introduces tougher tests on citizenship for Africans.

More questions about wife beating and child marriage etc plus a 4 year wait for citizenship to be granted.

We are getting a lot of weird anti-social crime from our Sudanese immigrants perhaps?
The crime stats for Victoria show that only 4.8% of aggravated crime is committed by residents of African origin, so, at least in Victoria, the answer to that is no. 
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« Reply #340 on: April 22, 2017, 05:00:46 am »
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Turnbuull introduces tougher tests on citizenship for Africans.

More questions about wife beating and child marriage etc plus a 4 year wait for citizenship to be granted.

We are getting a lot of weird anti-social crime from our Sudanese immigrants perhaps?
The crime stats for Victoria show that only 4.8% of aggravated crime is committed by residents of African origin, so, at least in Victoria, the answer to that is no.  

In Victoria? That is the worst state for African crime:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-21/cyclist-slashed-robbed-in-random-attack-in-north-melbourne/8139622

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-22/woman-threatened-with-scissors-during-carjacking-in-melbourne/7868152

The one where three African immigrants stopped a woman on her bicycle and permanently disfigured her face with a knife.

That was freakin' disgraceful.

I am all for immigration, and pound for pound, Australia takes more UNHCR sponsored refugees than any other country on Earth.

We take more UNHCR refugees than the USA in total.

But, clearly.....Turnbull is responding to the increase in African immigrant related crime here.
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« Reply #341 on: April 22, 2017, 05:44:23 am »
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Turnbuull introduces tougher tests on citizenship for Africans.

More questions about wife beating and child marriage etc plus a 4 year wait for citizenship to be granted.

We are getting a lot of weird anti-social crime from our Sudanese immigrants perhaps?
The crime stats for Victoria show that only 4.8% of aggravated crime is committed by residents of African origin, so, at least in Victoria, the answer to that is no. 

In Victoria? That is the worst state for African crime:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/who-let-in-the-sudanese-amanda-vanstone/news-story/9497646aaac16f3fdfa11673d2a12ea4

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/melbourne-cyclist-critical-after-slashing-by-gang-youths/news-story/39cd1f3a2bd26f7e83a2cd8b7c66dc29

The one where three African immigrants stopped a woman on her bicycle and permanently disfigured her face with a knife.

That was freakin' disgraceful.

I am all for immigration, and pound for pound, Australia takes more UNHCR sponsored refugees than any other country on Earth.

We take more UNHCR refugees than the USA in total.

But, clearly.....Turnbull is responding to the increase in African immigrant related crime here.
Dude, you're desperate if you are quoting that Murdoch toilet paper you call "news"
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« Reply #342 on: April 22, 2017, 07:56:01 am »
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I dont think you are presenting a valid argument to support your original false point.

All you can muster is a tepid response that somehow the woman who got her faced slashed with a knife by African immigrants is somehow not valid because the media organisation that reported it was owned by Rupert Murdoch.

She was unarmed, innocent and the attack was unprovoked and has ruined her life.

Stay on topic. The point that you were making is this:

You said something like "Victoria does not have a problem with Sudanese or Somali immigrants."

I changed the links in the previous post to meet your elitist standard of media reporting, one which clearly may not be warranted.

My post therefore remains unchanged and you can debate it on the actual points.

And if you are only going to read the ABC, that is OK.

Read on:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-20/african-youth-crime-concerns/4210720

"Police have expressed concern over new figures that show Somali and Sudanese-born Victorians are five times more likely to commit crime than the wider community."

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2012/s3571895.htm

"The crime statistics come as no surprise to Abeselom Nega who recently met senior police to discuss ways to tackle the concerns. He says the statistics were confronting."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-18/inquiry-to-consider-revoking-visas-for-migrants-in-gangs/8036774

"He said that his focus was Melbourne, but was worried about violence spreading to other areas of the country."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-21/police-and-experts-gather-in-melbourne-to-discuss-youth-crime/7647594


"The fact is there's a group of very recidivist young offenders that are committing increasingly violent crimes and that does concern us,"


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-28/south-sudanese-parents-sending-kids-to-africa-to-avoid-crime/8064540

"The community has been rocked by a recent rise in arrests of its young people for carjacking and home invasions, and the emergence of the Apex gang, which is made up largely of South Sudanese youth."

The African communities in Melbourne have issues in direct contrast to your first comment.

Malcolm Turnbull may have acted in a populist sense, but Australian residents are concerned about the vicious nature of the Somali and Sudanese crimes committed in Melbourne.


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« Reply #343 on: April 22, 2017, 06:05:31 pm »
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« Reply #344 on: April 22, 2017, 06:46:43 pm »
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Turnbull's dog whistling is successfully appealing to the PHON racist crowd, I see.

Maybe it's enough to save his job after all - at least until the election.
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« Reply #345 on: April 22, 2017, 06:51:42 pm »
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Turnbull's dog whistling is successfully appealing to the PHON racist crowd, I see.

Maybe it's enough to save his job after all - at least until the election.

Unless Abbott decides to try and make a comeback.

I mean for crying out loud, Turnbull obviously knows that pandering to the right is a surefire way to lose in 2019, yet he keeps doing it to head off more defections to Bernardi the Nutty.

In a way, I feel sorry for Turnbull. He obviously is aware that moderate policies are the way to go, yet if he pursues them, more people are going to leave for Bernardi or Hanson.
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« Reply #346 on: April 22, 2017, 07:08:08 pm »
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In a way, I feel sorry for Turnbull.

You've lost me there.  Turnbull has proven to be the most spineless conservative hack- even worse this year than I would have expected, and my expectations were NOT good. Tongue
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