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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2011, 04:31:34 PM »
« edited: December 01, 2011, 05:44:37 PM by danny »

New poll from Haaretz:
Likud 29
Labour 19
Kadima 17
Yisrael Beitenu 17
Shas 9
National Union/Jewish Home 7
United Torah Judaism 6
Meretz 6
Hadash 5

Right total: 68
Others: 52

Are you pleased with the way Netanyahu is functioning as prime minister?
yes 49
no 41

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2011, 05:34:24 PM »

Hadash at 5? Wow!
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2011, 05:46:59 PM »


They already have 4 and 1 mandate is easily within the margin of error (4.5%), so I'm not sure what's so exciting.
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2011, 05:49:36 PM »


They already have 4 and 1 mandate is easily within the margin of error (4.5%), so I'm not sure what's so exciting.

Of course, you a right. But that just shows how pessimistic I am about anything that might qualify as good news coming from that country Smiley))
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2011, 08:40:10 PM »

New poll from Haaretz:
Likud 29
Labour 19
Kadima 17
Yisrael Beitenu 17
Shas 9
National Union/Jewish Home 7
United Torah Judaism 6
Meretz 6
Hadash 5

Right total: 68
Others: 52

Are you pleased with the way Netanyahu is functioning as prime minister?
yes 49
no 41

Edit: link.
So if I understand this - and considering my Hebrew is limited to knowing the name of a single letter I think is cool looking, maybe I don't - but Labour is down from the last poll?
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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2011, 02:01:02 AM »

New poll from Haaretz:
Likud 29
Labour 19
Kadima 17
Yisrael Beitenu 17
Shas 9
National Union/Jewish Home 7
United Torah Judaism 6
Meretz 6
Hadash 5

Right total: 68
Others: 52

Are you pleased with the way Netanyahu is functioning as prime minister?
yes 49
no 41

Edit: link.
So if I understand this - and considering my Hebrew is limited to knowing the name of a single letter I think is cool looking, maybe I don't - but Labour is down from the last poll?

You're right, the last poll was conducted after the Labour primaries which caused a bounce for Labour which has somewhat faded.
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2011, 08:03:40 AM »

What exactly does it mean to have an opinion of a country ?
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2011, 02:28:52 AM »

another poll:

Likud: 33
Kadima: 20
Labour: 18
Yisrael Beitenu: 13
Shas: 10
United Torah Judaism: 6
National Union: 4
Hadash: 4
Raam-Taal: 3
Balad: 3
Jewish Home: 3
Meretz: 3

Blocs:
Right-religious: 69
Others: 51
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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2011, 04:16:27 AM »

phk asked for the religiosity of Israel so here is the results of the 2009 social survey (amongst 20 years and over):

amongst Jews:
Secular: 41.4%
Traditionalist ("masorti"): 38.5%
Religious: 11.7%
Haredi: 8.2%

Non-Jews:
not religious: 20.6%
not very religious: 27.1%
religious: 44.3%
very religious: 7.9%
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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2011, 02:16:03 PM »

Is there any way to evaluate those numbers in terms of the American Reform/Conservative/Orthodox divide?
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2011, 02:36:40 PM »

Reform would be "secular" I'd guess, Conservative would be "masorti" and "Orthodox" would be the other two.
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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2011, 02:40:56 PM »

Averaging the above polls:

Likud - 31
Kadima - 18.5
Labour - 18.5
Yisrael B - 15
Shas - 9.5
U Torah J - 6
N Union - 5.5
Meretz - 4.5
Hadash - 4.5
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« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2011, 04:34:36 PM »

Is there any way to evaluate those numbers in terms of the American Reform/Conservative/Orthodox divide?
No, Conservative and Reform Judaism combined are maybe 1% of the population.

Haredi is the same as what would be called ultra orthodox in America (black hats).
Religious is all the the orthodox in America except for the Ultra orthodox.
Masorti tend to keep some of the mitzvot and go occasionally to synagogue, but when they go it's to an orthodox one.
Secular are of course the least likely to keep to traditions but even they, if they would go to a synagogue it would most likely be an orthodox one, and when they think of what "real Judaism" is they would think of orthodox, even if they choose not to follow it.
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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2011, 04:48:25 PM »

how about you if I can ask?
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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2011, 04:59:56 PM »
« Edited: December 24, 2011, 05:04:36 PM by danny »

I'm an atheist, meaning secular under normal Israeli definitions.
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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2011, 05:09:41 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2011, 05:38:58 PM »


Why the surprise?
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« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2011, 05:50:15 PM »

Stereotype
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« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2011, 06:14:26 PM »


What kind of stereotype? Israel isn't that religious a country, and my social score and the fact that I post on the sabbath would be hints that I'm not very religious.
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« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2011, 05:06:23 AM »

New poll from Globes:

Likud: 31
Kadima: 19
Labour: 18
Yisrael Beitenu: 14
Shas: 11
UTJ: 6
National Union: 4
Meretz: 4
Hadash: 4
Jewish Home: 3
UAL-TAAL: 3
Balad: 3

And I have added the averaging of nickjbor to the first post.
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« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2011, 05:11:44 AM »

... Those numbers add up to 120%.  Huh
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« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2011, 05:28:34 AM »


Those are not percentages, they are seats in the Knesset, of which there are indeed 120.
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« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2011, 05:34:30 AM »

Ah haSmiley
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« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2011, 05:43:23 AM »
« Edited: December 30, 2011, 08:45:23 AM by danny »

And here is a poll which added the hypothetical parties of Yair Lapid (son of Tomi Lapid, former head of Shinui) and Aryeh Deri (former head of Shas):

Likud: 24
Yair Lapid: 15
Labour: 15
Yisrael Beitenu: 14
Kadima: 10
Aryeh Deri: 7
UTJ: 6
Shas: 5
Meretz: 5
National Union: 4
Jewish Home: 4
"Arabs" (that is how they wrote it): 11
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« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2011, 08:33:44 AM »

Great, now all you need to do is break Likud in half again and no party would top 15 Tongue
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