Israel general discussion

[Hnv1]

Meretz convention rejected Galon's proposal for open primaries.  New leadership elections announced Avalon vs Gilon.

Derii has been making weird break the government noises, I wonder if he's just the messenger...

Ya'Alon to start a new party, Levi-Aboksis to start a new party, Feiglin's new party will hold open primaries

Looks like the election is coming soon. Any chance Levi-Aboksis changes her mind and joins Ya'Alon or something? We don't need yet another party, and she'll never pass the mark anyway. She's just not that great of a politician, just very principled.
Also, Avalon? Did you mean Galon or did I miss an awful lot in my school's annual trip?

Sorry, of course Galon.
As the polls look dismal for Ya'alon he may try to recruit her. But her electoral chances are better than his as I see it.

Jewish Home to have leadership primaries soon as well. Bennet vs. 2 nobody conservative rabbis

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According to Netanyahu lackey David Bitan, he has rescinded his agreements with Kahlon about the new Public Broadcasting Corporation, and it will not be allowed to start. A huge shame, since it looks like a fresh wind and a good replacement for the awful and dusty IBA.
This might be what will trigger the elections. I wonder if any indictment can be fielded against Netanyahu before it becomes much harder to do.

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Herzog is making noises of trying to form an alternative government. For this feat to succeed, he'll need Yesh Atid, Kahlon, the Haredi Parties and Meretz. In other words, impossible.

[Hnv1]

You are off the mark, Likud has been trying to pick fights with junior partners for weeks now. This is Bibi's strategy, he does not want an indictment served.

If Lapid and Kachlon had any wits to them they would have let Herzog form a government for several months to see Bibi out, but there's no chance Isra-Trump Lapid will agree

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How does picking fights prevent an indictment?

[Hnv1]

How does picking fights prevent an indictment?

No Indictment will be served if there's an election going on, and a resounding victory pressures the prosecution not to serve it.

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You are off the mark, Likud has been trying to pick fights with junior partners for weeks now. This is Bibi's strategy, he does not want an indictment served.

If Lapid and Kachlon had any wits to them they would have let Herzog form a government for several months to see Bibi out, but there's no chance Isra-Trump Lapid will agree

Yeah, I kept getting these crazy news updates whenever I  could check my phone, but this current thing seems to be the most explicit.

Meanwhile, Transportation Secretary Israel Katz (who already clashed with Bibi on the Shabbat train maintenance works) becomes the first Likud minister to speak up against Netanyahu, saying that going to elections because of the Broadcasting Corporation is mad.

[Hnv1]

You are off the mark, Likud has been trying to pick fights with junior partners for weeks now. This is Bibi's strategy, he does not want an indictment served.

If Lapid and Kachlon had any wits to them they would have let Herzog form a government for several months to see Bibi out, but there's no chance Isra-Trump Lapid will agree

Yeah, I kept getting these crazy news updates whenever I  could check my phone, but this current thing seems to be the most explicit.

Meanwhile, Transportation Secretary Israel Katz (who already clashed with Bibi on the Shabbat train maintenance works) becomes the first Likud minister to speak up against Netanyahu, saying that going to elections because of the Broadcasting Corporation is mad.

He's actually quite clever, Bibi is as we speak on a plane to the PRC, the first things his staffes are going to see when off the plane would be quite alarming...

The trio of Herzog, Kachlon, Rivlin will do everything in their power to try form an alternative government, even a minority one

[Hnv1]

Both Bennet ad Lieberman oppose an early election. Bibi is in quite a pickle

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Both Bennet ad Lieberman oppose an early election. Bibi is in quite a pickle

Bennet? Odd. Why would he not want an election where he's likely to gain?

[Hnv1]

Both Bennet ad Lieberman oppose an early election. Bibi is in quite a pickle

Bennet? Odd. Why would he not want an election where he's likely to gain?

He and Shaked are sitting in good positions and want to have more impact (especially with 2 more nominations for the supreme court next year), and he would rather go to an election from the opposition on some right wing platform not the media.
Liberman wants more time as MoD to consolidate is position as elder statesman.

question is what will they do if Bibi seems determined to pull the trigger, will they support a Kachlon temporary government?

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Both Bennet ad Lieberman oppose an early election. Bibi is in quite a pickle

Bennet? Odd. Why would he not want an election where he's likely to gain?

He and Shaked are sitting in good positions and want to have more impact (especially with 2 more nominations for the supreme court next year), and he would rather go to an election from the opposition on some right wing platform not the media.
Liberman wants more time as MoD to consolidate is position as elder statesman.

question is what will they do if Bibi seems determined to pull the trigger, will they support a Kachlon temporary government?

I think Lapid will really be the determining factor here. I don't see Bennet and most of the Labour MKs ever sitting in the same government, while Lapid has been rescinding his anti-Haredi rhetoric. The problem is that he probably wants an election while the momentum is with him.

[Hnv1]

Both Bennet ad Lieberman oppose an early election. Bibi is in quite a pickle

Bennet? Odd. Why would he not want an election where he's likely to gain?

He and Shaked are sitting in good positions and want to have more impact (especially with 2 more nominations for the supreme court next year), and he would rather go to an election from the opposition on some right wing platform not the media.
Liberman wants more time as MoD to consolidate is position as elder statesman.

question is what will they do if Bibi seems determined to pull the trigger, will they support a Kachlon temporary government?

I think Lapid will really be the determining factor here. I don't see Bennet and most of the Labour MKs ever sitting in the same government, while Lapid has been rescinding his anti-Haredi rhetoric. The problem is that he probably wants an election while the momentum is with him.

Also Peretz and other Labour contenders might thwart it...stupid people who can't think strategically. Peretz and Lapid with their massive bloated ego especially

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Both Bennet ad Lieberman oppose an early election. Bibi is in quite a pickle

Bennet? Odd. Why would he not want an election where he's likely to gain?

He and Shaked are sitting in good positions and want to have more impact (especially with 2 more nominations for the supreme court next year), and he would rather go to an election from the opposition on some right wing platform not the media.
Liberman wants more time as MoD to consolidate is position as elder statesman.

question is what will they do if Bibi seems determined to pull the trigger, will they support a Kachlon temporary government?

I think Lapid will really be the determining factor here. I don't see Bennet and most of the Labour MKs ever sitting in the same government, while Lapid has been rescinding his anti-Haredi rhetoric. The problem is that he probably wants an election while the momentum is with him.

Also Peretz and other Labour contenders might thwart it...stupid people who can't think strategically. Peretz and Lapid with their massive bloated ego especially

Omer Bar Lev also tweeted his opposition to going for an alternative government. It's funny because he might not even survive as an MK if an election is held now.
Also, Erel Margalit tweeted that Labour must elect a leader in the next 30 days and prepare for elections. It seems to contradict his previous agenda.

[DavidB.]

It would be good for the ideological direction of Likud to be out of the government for a while, but it would probably not be good for Israel to have another party take over control, even if I'm obviously very critical of Likud's record on many issues (most importantly the economy/oligopolies/costs of living/poverty). I also don't believe Lapid will truly win an election. People will eventually turn out for Netanyahu; 2015 all over again.

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Former Education and Interior Minister and Bibi rival Gideon Sa'ar will announce his return to politics this evening.

[Vosem]

So is an election definitely happening this year? Things seem to have quieted down.

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So is an election definitely happening this year? Things seem to have quieted down.

Probably not because of the broadcasting corporation- Kachlon bent and is currently allowing our corrupt Prime Minister to destroy Israeli democracy.
The investigations against Netanyahu continue but are going slower than expected, so to me it looks like it might slow to a halt, but if the investigations do escalate I see Netanyahu going mad over some issue again just to cause elections, so at this point, who knows?

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So is an election definitely happening this year? Things seem to have quieted down.

I'll put my money on this autumn. Or the very least early 2018

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By the way, Labour leadership elections are officially in 4th of July. According to the bot in the phone poll I got today, recent polling indicates that Peretz and Gabay are leading.

[Hnv1]

Poll of Labour's cadre:
Gabay 22%
Peretz 21%
Margalit 10%
Bar Lev 10%
Herzog 7% (lol)
Undecided 29%

Second round
Gabay 55%
Peretz 45%

Shame on margalit but at least Peretz misses out

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Poll of Labour's cadre:
Gabay 22%
Peretz 21%
Margalit 10%
Bar Lev 10%
Herzog 7% (lol)
Undecided 29%

Second round
Gabay 55%
Peretz 45%

Shame on margalit but at least Peretz misses out

I think that this one was requested by Gabay, since it has him in the runoff. Another one I got yesterday was probably from Margalit, since it had him in the runoff.

[SATW]

The wishful thinking and borderline messianic obsession with wanting a new election in this thread is a bit amusing to me.

DavidB is, thankfully, right that Bibi would likely win the next election if it was called soon. However, it would hurt a good amount of his coalition partners.

Yisrael Beiteinu hasn't really proved its worth yet in the government (though, they have been more mild and consistent then I thought they would be at this point).

Kulanu would suffer massive losses if an election is called. Kahlon is not a good party leader and should really come home to Likud. Michael Oren and Yoav Galant were rumored to want to run in Likud primaries I remember hearing a few months ago. is this still true?

The Jewish Home opposes going to elections for the reasons outlined by Hnv1. I also don't think they would do as good as people think they would. They are just as ideologically bland and fake as Likud, the ZU and Yesh Atid, imo.

Also, none of Likud's opponents are in a position to win. Yair Lapid and Yesh Atid may have more public support but what coalition would they be able to form? religious parties will likely never sit w/ him.

ZU continues to be a joke and will continue to be so if Herzog stays on as leader.

a Ya'alon led party would be great for sh*ts an giggles but I don't think it would go very far.

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Sorry to be a pain, but what factions/ideologies/positions etc. do the labour candidates represent?

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The wishful thinking and borderline messianic obsession with wanting a new election in this thread is a bit amusing to me.

DavidB is, thankfully, right that Bibi would likely win the next election if it was called soon. However, it would hurt a good amount of his coalition partners.

Yisrael Beiteinu hasn't really proved its worth yet in the government (though, they have been more mild and consistent then I thought they would be at this point).

Kulanu would suffer massive losses if an election is called. Kahlon is not a good party leader and should really come home to Likud. Michael Oren and Yoav Galant were rumored to want to run in Likud primaries I remember hearing a few months ago. is this still true?

The Jewish Home opposes going to elections for the reasons outlined by Hnv1. I also don't think they would do as good as people think they would. They are just as ideologically bland and fake as Likud, the ZU and Yesh Atid, imo.

Also, none of Likud's opponents are in a position to win. Yair Lapid and Yesh Atid may have more public support but what coalition would they be able to form? religious parties will likely never sit w/ him.

ZU continues to be a joke and will continue to be so if Herzog stays on as leader.

a Ya'alon led party would be great for sh*ts an giggles but I don't think it would go very far.

To be honest, I'd prefer an alternative government over an election. But I'm also feeling immense fear for Israeli democracy under the unstable, paranoid, corrupt, power-hungry Netanyahu of 2017, so yes, I really want him replaced by an election or indiction.