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Question: Which of the Traditional Values Coalition's 8 platform planks do you support?
Right to life (against abortion and euthanasia)   -17 (10%)
Sexual fidelity in marriage and abstinence before marriage   -13 (7.6%)
Opposition to homosexuality and other "deviant sexual behaviors"   -7 (4.1%)
Opposition to pornography   -11 (6.5%)
Patriotism (supporting national boundaries, the Armed Forces, political participation, free enterprise, limited government, low taxes, personal responsibility, and Christian America as the New Israel of God's Covenant to His People)   -14 (8.2%)
Opposition to "liberal" immigration reform (reform without first securing the U.S.-Mexico border)   -20 (11.8%)
Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians   -41 (24.1%)
Addictive behaviors (with opposition to gambling, the legalization of addictive drugs, alcohol, and smoking)   -16 (9.4%)
NOTA   -31 (18.2%)
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« on: October 31, 2011, 02:01:42 pm »
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As brought up in the other thread proving how opebo is not socially conservative.

As stated I partially agree with a few but none do I fully agree with so I vote for NOTA. Well I guess I do agree with #7 but since this is already absolutely guaranteed by the First Amendment it's pretty obvious what they mean is something different than what it simply means.
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 02:11:58 pm »
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Plank number 7.

Like BRTD it's free speech.

DUH!
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2011, 03:17:43 pm »
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1,5, and 7, but nothing else.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2011, 03:31:28 pm »
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I took this to mean on a personal level rather than a question of legality, so 1,2,3,4,7, and 8.

5 almost had me until it started talking about the "New Israel" stuff.

Also, I'm not totally in agreement with 8 if it's asking for complete abstainence from those things instead of just not abusing them.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2011, 03:45:17 pm »
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Geez, welcome to the 19th century. I don't support any of this crap, though I might come a bit closer on the patriotism thing if it wasn't for all the bullsh**t insinuations that small govt, low taxes, armed forces, Christian America and the bizarre lunatic New Israel stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2011, 04:19:55 pm »
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1, 2, kinda 4, 7, and 8.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 04:28:13 pm »
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What exactly do they mean by seven. Is that just random feelgood bullsh!t, or something more sinister?
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 04:52:19 pm »
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I might personally support some more but I only agree with government action on about three or four of them.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2011, 04:58:16 pm »
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Only #7, which is already constitutionally protected.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2011, 06:11:03 pm »
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None of the above - these people should be fed to lions.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 06:18:18 pm »

Two: 1) Opposition to "liberal" immigration reform (reform without first securing the U.S.-Mexico border), and 2) Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians. 1) actually overstates my position a bit, but opposition is closer than support, so I checked the box.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 07:55:06 pm »
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     7 & sorta 8 (I dislike those things, though I think they should all be legal). 5 was mostly good until they got to the white supremacist cant at the end.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 08:16:44 pm »
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what does "opposition to pornography" mean
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2011, 09:20:24 pm »
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what does "opposition to pornography" mean

That the Religious Right and "Feminists" are trying to out-compete each other for most obnoxious people in America?
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 09:24:19 pm »
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what does "opposition to pornography" mean

That the Religious Right and "Feminists" are trying to out-compete each other for most obnoxious people in America?

no, it means something else.  what does it mean?
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2011, 09:36:26 pm »
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what does "opposition to pornography" mean

That the Religious Right and "Feminists" are trying to out-compete each other for most obnoxious people in America?

no, it means something else.  what does it mean?

Everything they don't like should be banned, and everything they do should be encouraged. Duh.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2011, 11:02:30 pm »
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Right to life (against abortion and euthanasia)    Yes, but depends on what is meant by euthanasia
Sexual fidelity in marriage and abstinence before marriage     Ideally, yes, it's preferable - but it's important to be realistic that not everyone's going to do this
Opposition to homosexuality and other "deviant sexual behaviors"  No
Opposition to pornography  Eye of the beholder - use good taste and don't get too carried away
Patriotism (supporting national boundaries, the Armed Forces, political participation, free enterprise, limited government, low taxes, personal responsibility, and Christian America as the New Israel of God's Covenant to His People)  Yeah okay, except for that last part
Opposition to "liberal" immigration reform (reform without first securing the U.S.-Mexico border) No, but both should be achieved
Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians Yes, absolutely - if the convert is willing!
Addictive behaviors (with opposition to gambling, the legalization of addictive drugs, alcohol, and smoking) Not really. Addictions are generally a bad idea - doesn't mean everyone who does these things are addicts, shouldn't be illegal.

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 12:23:36 am »
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I suspect by plank #7 they mean trying to influence Muslim countries to allow Christian proselytism.  However since they don't phrase it as a general right for all religions to proselytize, I didn't check it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2011, 12:32:40 am »
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None.
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2011, 02:50:13 am »
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Only 7... Which christians may attempt with me at their own peril.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2011, 07:38:32 am »
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None. Tradition is literally just an excuse to keep doing bad things. Someone invented a word for it (Tradition) so that you don't have to call it "Keeping on doing bad things".

Though technically I agree with the Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians, just as much as I agree with the Freedom of non-Christians attempt to convert Christians.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2011, 09:50:35 am »
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6 & 8 in some form. lol'd at #5.
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2011, 11:26:27 am »
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How are their version of patriotism and their position of immigration considered "Traditional Values"? I can see most of the other stuff considered traditional values. I would think they would limit themselves to social issues and avoid foreign policy issues.

Personally, I think most of those are good to live by, but most are not the role of government to legislate.
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2011, 02:14:28 pm »
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There's nothing in this sack of utter bullsh*t that I could even come close to supporting, except #7 - and even then, it is so obvious and pointless that it probably has some hidden meaning which I'm pretty sure I wouldn't suppport either.
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2011, 02:30:35 pm »
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As brought up in the other thread proving how opebo is not socially conservative.

Some of those start out reasonable, but get a little weird at the end.  The only one I fully support as written is the right of folks to try to convert people to their religion.  I voted for that one only.

You sure you're not misquoting or taking them out of context?  Out of curiosity I went to their website and from what I've read I conclude that you have not quoted them quite accurately.  In particular, you have mischaracterized Patriotism, as they define it, and you haven't even mentioned two of their planks.

See for yourself:  http://www.traditionalvalues.org/content/defined




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