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  Dems: Did you really think Kerry would win? (search mode)
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: December 24, 2004, 02:33:04 PM »

COULD yes. Read my little essay on Uncertainty ;-)
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2004, 03:15:14 PM »

West Virginia?  With  Kerry's Senate voting record?  That's, well, optimistic.

Aha... now WV is a state that Kerry should have won or at the very least come close in. The Kerry campaign in WV deserves to be framed as an example of what not to do and [ah... I'm ranting again. Sorry. Basically the Kerry campaign (which led in WV until the RNC) began to slowly pull resources out starting, perversely, in the early summer despite the solid poll numbers. They also pissed off the local union and party bosses (some were secretly aiding the Bush campaign), failed to listen to Byrd's advice ("get coal dust on your face"=hammer Bush on the probably relaxing of mine safety regulations, the cancelling that church visit, a crass and pointless gesture, was the last straw]

A liberal voting record's not really a problem in WV. You just need to stress economic issues and the D after you're name usually gets you in. Ask Senator Rockefeller (although now is the time for a little known fact: the reason why Dukakis squeaked by in WV was because of Arch Moore's corrupt activities tarnished the GOP in WV, Moore was up for re-election and got slaughtered by Gaston Capeton who ran well ahead of Dukakis in the state).
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2004, 05:03:01 PM »

If the party was rational, I'd agree with you.  However, these are not pragmatic people that show up to vote in presidential primaries.  (in either party) They are the ideologues.



How true. Which is why Dean won a landslide in Iowa (with his scream really firing up those damned whacko commie liberals) before surging to victory in New Hampshire and every other primary...
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2004, 05:39:03 PM »

He was "rational" and electable to the ideologues who vote in the Democratic Party.  Incredibly, to them, he was pretty moderate.

In reality (outside the lefty cacoon) America didn't see him as so electable. or moderate enough.

47-48% is pretty respectable IMO. I agree that he wasn't the best candidate (that was Gephardt but, as in 1988, his campaign ran out of money) but it's not as though he was hammered nationally.
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