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« on: November 09, 2011, 07:54:40 am »
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Constitutional amendment - no chance
Overturning Roe v. Wade traditionally - very little chance

The Personhood movement was a way to sidestep that some analysts thought could really work, but Mississippi just aborted that movement.  Utah and Alabama are the only states left that it could possibly win, but the "No" side has an easy blueprint.

Was Mississippi 2011 the tipping point?  Is it over?
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2011, 09:26:15 am »
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Its not "over," we will continue to win the support of public opinion, and continue to stop the abundance of such murder.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2011, 10:19:47 am »
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The pro-life movement will do as it has always done: try to support pro-life candidates over pro-choice ones, try to place any regulations on abortion we can think of, engage in protests, etc.

Contrary to belief on this site, the majority of Americans weren't even aware Mississippi was voting on a Personhood Ammendment. This failing is the status quo rather than something that will forever change the public opinion on the topic. Even if it had passed, it would have been entirely symbolic since the courts would have immediately placed an injunction on it and it would have been struck down rather quickly. This happening doesn't change a thing.

On the other hand, it should serve as a reminder to the pro-life crowd that this country will not support protections that people feel will cause an inconvenience to themselves personally. Possibly banning birth control would be too far a step it seems even in Mississippi and isn't happening any time soon.

If someone opposes abortion truly believing it to be murder, a minor setback like this isn't going to change anything. It's something that as long some minority still believes in, it cannot ever be over.
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2011, 12:12:57 pm »
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Was Mississippi 2011 the tipping point?  Is it over?

That's like saying the pro-choice cause is over because only a minority support abortions up to the moment of birth; the pro-lifer's in question simply overreached, and will likely try again later with a 'conception' standard that explicitly allows birth control pills and similar measures.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 01:25:32 pm »
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The outlaw abortion movement's strategy for a while now has been to force women back into back alleys not through big legislative or court victories but through passing increasingly restrictive laws on abortion providers and abortion funding, so that the access of women to abortion is dramatically curtailed and their constitutional rights are de facto taken away.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 02:15:09 pm »
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Yup. It's over. The entire pro-life movement was riding on this one initiative in an off-year election that was worded extremely ambiguously and was a bit too far-reaching. Didn't pass? OK, show's over guys. The pro-life cause is done.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 05:04:04 pm »
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Utah and Alabama are the only states left that it could possibly win, but the "No" side has an easy blueprint.

Isn't Mississippi more socially conservative than Alabama?
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 05:42:36 pm »
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Utah and Alabama are the only states left that it could possibly win, but the "No" side has an easy blueprint.

Isn't Mississippi more socially conservative than Alabama?

What's the difference? Seriously?
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 06:24:46 pm »
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Yup. It's over. The entire pro-life movement was riding on this one initiative in an off-year election that was worded extremely ambiguously and was a bit too far-reaching. Didn't pass? OK, show's over guys. The pro-life cause is done.

Scoff all you want, but Mississippi was the lynchpin of Personhood USA's plan.  The initiative is on the ballot in several states next year.  PUSA intentionally picked out a state they just knew it would pass in to build momentum.  Mississippi aborted that movement yesterday, the initiative is very unlikely to pass in any other state.

At best, it's back to the drawing board for the pro-life movement.  Personhood was their one chance of maybe sidestepping Roe v. Wade, and it's not going to be a law anywhere.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2011, 06:43:16 pm »
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They'll continue to do what they've done for the past 40 years: attempt hold the line and maintain status quo. They don't have the support to really challenge abortion and even if they get a measure like this one to pass, it'll be overturned in the courts pretty quickly.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2011, 07:01:13 pm »
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Overturning Roe v. Wade traditionally - very little chance

LOL! If a Republican wins in 2012, there certainly is a very good chance for Roe to get repealed.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2011, 07:11:13 pm »
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Go move to the dumpster right near a abortion clinic.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2011, 11:54:59 pm »
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Overturning Roe v. Wade traditionally - very little chance

LOL! If a Republican wins in 2012, there certainly is a very good chance for Roe to get repealed.

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2011, 12:57:57 am »
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2011, 10:00:41 pm »
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Yeah. If Kennedy or Ginsburg get replaced by another Federalist Society stooge, we could be  d....but, overturning Roe might cause a big enough backlash to ensure abortion's legality for another 40 years.
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2011, 04:28:09 pm »
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Understand that Middle America dislikes abortion, but finds stridency on the issue the worse offense.

Resulting in what Lief said.
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2011, 01:56:18 pm »
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I am guessing the clearest way to go is to redefine the antiabortion position as something other than some sort of life-saving humanitarian issue because maybe only two thirds of the antiabortion population believe that 100%. Many people talk about responsibility and discouraging decadent lifestyles, especially if you cannot afford said decadent lifestyle.

Basically, the status quo is what we will continue to have- Abortion control. Not abortion bans.
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2011, 09:28:11 pm »
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Yup. It's over. The entire pro-life movement was riding on this one initiative in an off-year election that was worded extremely ambiguously and was a bit too far-reaching. Didn't pass? OK, show's over guys. The pro-life cause is done.

Scoff all you want, but Mississippi was the lynchpin of Personhood USA's plan.  The initiative is on the ballot in several states next year.  PUSA intentionally picked out a state they just knew it would pass in to build momentum.  Mississippi aborted that movement yesterday, the initiative is very unlikely to pass in any other state.

At best, it's back to the drawing board for the pro-life movement.  Personhood was their one chance of maybe sidestepping Roe v. Wade, and it's not going to be a law anywhere.
Maybe 1% of America has heard of "Personhood USA."  It is not that easy to defeat a moral crusade.  Ask Saladin.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2011, 10:30:29 pm »
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It is not that easy to defeat a moral crusade.  Ask Saladin.

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2011, 10:57:49 pm »
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What it will do is what it ought to have done from the very beginning: latch onto some emerging trends in medical science that can be tagged with the label of 'morally inappropriate' and smear those into the ground. I'm thinking not only of stem cell research, but anything involving cloning or bioengineering. This will accelerate as the Catholicization of the Religious Right continues through immigration. And it will eventually run afoul of pro-market elements on the secular Right.
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2011, 04:56:18 pm »
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What it will do is what it ought to have done from the very beginning: latch onto some emerging trends in medical science that can be tagged with the label of 'morally inappropriate' and smear those into the ground. I'm thinking not only of stem cell research, but anything involving cloning or bioengineering.
For that, they would have to actually care about the wellbeing of random embryos and zygotes.
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