SENATE BILL: Separate Elections Amendment (rejected)

[bgwah]

Separate Elections Amendment

1. The Vice President of the Republic of Atlasia shall be elected separately from the President.
2. Election to the Vice Presidency shall take place at the same time and under the same rules as election to the Presidency
3. This amendment shall not affect in any way other already existing constitutional frames of the Vice Presidency

Sponsor: Kalwejt

[Senator Kalwejt]

The Vice President is now just a dude picked by a candidate.

On regional level we're electing our Governors/Emperors/Prime Verins and Lieutenant Governors/Viceroys/Deputy Prime Verins separately and it's far more interesting to the game. I can't see no reason against employing that on federal level.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I normally do not speak on active bills but this is a wonderful idea, a first step in reforming the job. I'd even think that we could do these elections during the at-large elections, but alas, we should not chase two rabbits at once.

[Marokai]

Entirely supportive of this.

[Senator Kalwejt]

Also, I believe it's more fair that the people will elect the man one click away from the Presidency, rather than have a running-mate attached to the presidential candidate name above their heads.

[bgwah]

Would anyone actually want to run for VP?

[Senator Kalwejt]

Would anyone actually want to run for VP?

People are going to run even for dogcatcher here in Atlasia, if they only can  

[Prez Duke]

How would anyone actually run for VP though? They could, but how would they campaign on running for VP if they will not be doing anything?

[Senator Kalwejt]

How would anyone actually run for VP though? They could, but how would they campaign on running for VP if they will not be doing anything?

The same reason people are running for Lieutenant Governors, for example.

Are you suggesting no one would run if not picked by a candidate? That'd nonsense.

[bgwah]

I have mixed feelings. I kind of hate unity tickets. But I kind of want to give the Cabinet Flexibility Amendment a chance to affect the VP first... :\

[Senator Kalwejt]

I understand your concerns, bgwah. However, cabinet flexibility does not mandate either Vice President now any Secretary to be assigned an additional portfolio. It's totally up for President is he wants to.

By the way, I believe just "voting with some dude attached to the ticket" is not only unfair to the voters, but candidates himself. Vice Presidency is the only elected office people can't seek on their own.

[Prez Duke]

How would anyone actually run for VP though? They could, but how would they campaign on running for VP if they will not be doing anything?

The same reason people are running for Lieutenant Governors, for example.

Are you suggesting no one would run if not picked by a candidate? That'd nonsense.

No, but it would be as useless an election at say a Lt. Governor's race. We have people advocating the abolishment of the Lt. Governorship, yet we are wanting to make another useless election? I voted for the cabinet flexibility amendment because I wanted to give this whole reform the VP position a shot. Let's give it a chance before we go messing with the position again.

[bgwah]

I am bringing this to a final vote. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.,

[Senator Kalwejt]

Aye

[Marokai]

Aye

[Senator Napoleon]

Nay

[MOPolitico]

Aye

[So the Heroes Fall]

Nay

[bgwah]

abstain

[Senator Kalwejt]

abstain

And I'm going to bring this every time you are bitching about boring unity tickets

[Prez Duke]

why not, aye!

[bgwah]

The current tally is 4-2-1.

Yankee and Jbrase have yet to vote. And Nathan once he takes office, presumably.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye

[bgwah]

In light of the recent party discussions, I'm changing my vote to nay.

[asexual trans victimologist]

Nay.