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« on: April 18, 2014, 09:49:22 am »
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The poster girls for jihad: Interpol searches for two Austrian teens 'who went to Syria to fight for Islamic rebels'.

    Samra* Kesinovic, 16, and Sabina* Selimovic, 15, vanished on April 10
    Social media posts then began, showing girls in Islamic dress
    Interpol believes they have been tricked into going to Syria
    Shocking photographs shown one of the girls with AK-47-wielding men



Samra and Sabina come from Bosnian refugee families who settled in Austria after the ethnic wars of the 1990s, and were born in the country.

New photos on their Facebook pages show them brandishing Kalashnikov rifles - and in some cases surrounded by armed men.

In the latest posting they announced plans to marry so that they could become 'holy warriors' and in the messages they say: 'Death is our goal'.

However, their families doubt that the messages were written by them.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2607735/The-poster-girls-jihad-Interpol-searches-two-Austrian-teens-Syria-fighting-Islamic-rebels.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

* not their real names
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2014, 10:02:40 am »
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It looks like their parents led a liberal lifestyle (like most of the Bosnian-Muslim immigrants from the early 90s), but the girls went to some radical preacher in a mosque who radicalized them (or: they became radicals over the Internet and the mosque-people only arranged their flight to Turkey and transport to Syria ...)

Anyway, terrible form of brainwashing.

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2014, 11:07:23 am »
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Well that's stupid. No sympathy for them.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2014, 11:12:59 am »
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It looks like their parents led a liberal lifestyle (like most of the Bosnian-Muslim immigrants from the early 90s), but the girls went to some radical preacher in a mosque who radicalized them (or: they became radicals over the Internet and the mosque-people only arranged their flight to Turkey and transport to Syria ...)

Anyway, terrible form of brainwashing.

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'Brainwashing'? It looks like they did it willingly.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2014, 08:21:02 am »
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It looks like their parents led a liberal lifestyle (like most of the Bosnian-Muslim immigrants from the early 90s), but the girls went to some radical preacher in a mosque who radicalized them (or: they became radicals over the Internet and the mosque-people only arranged their flight to Turkey and transport to Syria ...)

Anyway, terrible form of brainwashing.

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'Brainwashing'? It looks like they did it willingly.

That's not entirely sure yet: It became known that they could have become radicalized when they went to Bosnia a few times to visit their relatives there and went to a local fundamentalist mosque (which has also a branch in Vienna).

They either did this voluntarlily (but, what's more likely) - 14-year old girls are easy targets for these sorts of fundamentalists. They just need to put them under pressure or make threats.

If they did it voluntarily, it's still "brainwashing" - because they believe the silly motives of radical Islam and think that they might have any influence in this deadly war.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2014, 09:32:35 am »
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From the "Spiegel":

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Die Mädchen, so berichten österreichische Zeitungen, sollen vor ihrem Verschwinden in die Altun-Alem-Moschee in Wien gegangen sein. Derzeit soll sich dort Hassprediger Ebu Tejma aufhalten. Er gilt als einer der radikalsten Salafisten Europas.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/dschihad-in-syrien-interpol-sucht-zwei-maedchen-aus-oesterreich-a-965254.html

http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/missing/2014-22373

http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/missing/2014-22367

"The girls, media reports, have visited the Altun-Alem mosque in Vienna, before they vanished. The hate preacher Ebu Tejma is currently there. He is known as one of the most radical salafists in Europe."

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A quick research on Youtube reveals that Ebu Tejma also praised Osama Bin Laden as a man "who did a great job in building up the Islamist terror cells all over the planet".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2an05l-Yo
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2014, 01:13:17 pm »
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If they did it voluntarily, it's still "brainwashing" - because they believe the silly motives of radical Islam and think that they might have any influence in this deadly war.

People tilt at windmills for all sorts of reasons. To say that voluntarily taking extreme and quixotic actions in the service of extreme and quixotic beliefs is itself brainwashing simply because of the extremity and quixotic nature of the actions and beliefs strikes me as lazy, and something of an insult to people who actually have been brainwashed. It doesn't help give us any understanding of how these things happen or how these people think.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2014, 01:28:04 pm »
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If they did it voluntarily, it's still "brainwashing" - because they believe the silly motives of radical Islam and think that they might have any influence in this deadly war.

People tilt at windmills for all sorts of reasons. To say that voluntarily taking extreme and quixotic actions in the service of extreme and quixotic beliefs is itself brainwashing simply because of the extremity and quixotic nature of the actions and beliefs strikes me as lazy, and something of an insult to people who actually have been brainwashed. It doesn't help give us any understanding of how these things happen or how these people think.

Yes I agree, brainwashing demand much more than this. These girls choose to become extremists, yes they may be young and stupid, but so are most of the people when they start embracing extreme ideologies.

So while I feel sorry for the parents, whatever happens to these girls, they have brought it on themselves, and I feel no more sorry for them, than for any other person, who tries to spread pain and suffering to the innocent.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2014, 02:05:51 pm »
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Difficult to tell from one picture, but the one on the right doesn't look too hard on the eyes.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2014, 02:29:55 pm »
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Difficult to tell from one picture, but the one on the right doesn't look too hard on the eyes.

Thanks for your contribution.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2014, 04:14:58 pm »
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If they did it voluntarily, it's still "brainwashing" - because they believe the silly motives of radical Islam and think that they might have any influence in this deadly war.

People tilt at windmills for all sorts of reasons. To say that voluntarily taking extreme and quixotic actions in the service of extreme and quixotic beliefs is itself brainwashing simply because of the extremity and quixotic nature of the actions and beliefs strikes me as lazy, and something of an insult to people who actually have been brainwashed. It doesn't help give us any understanding of how these things happen or how these people think.

Stop being so reasonable, Nathan. It's unhealthy.
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