Israel and Palestine

[dunn]

He was a particularly nasty guy, responsible for the deaths of a lot of Jews and one of the major blockades for peace.

Although it would be nicer if they were captured and executed, this is not as easy and so I support Israel's actions.

Amen

[Brambila]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

[dunn]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

Amen
but they are not really a nation

[JohnFKennedy]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

you are confused, Palestine isn't a Nation, never has been a country, it is just the name of a region.

[Gustaf]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

you are confused, Palestine isn't a Nation, never has been a country, it is just the name of a region.

Who says they aren't a nation? If they think of themselves as a nation, and I think they do, then they are. Not a state perhaps, but a nation.

[JohnFKennedy]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

you are confused, Palestine isn't a Nation, never has been a country, it is just the name of a region.

Who says they aren't a nation? If they think of themselves as a nation, and I think they do, then they are. Not a state perhaps, but a nation.

nation: people of one or more cultures or races organized as a single state

[Gustaf]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

you are confused, Palestine isn't a Nation, never has been a country, it is just the name of a region.

Who says they aren't a nation? If they think of themselves as a nation, and I think they do, then they are. Not a state perhaps, but a nation.

nation: people of one or more cultures or races organized as a single state

Whoever came up with that definition is wrong.

[JohnFKennedy]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

you are confused, Palestine isn't a Nation, never has been a country, it is just the name of a region.

Who says they aren't a nation? If they think of themselves as a nation, and I think they do, then they are. Not a state perhaps, but a nation.

nation: people of one or more cultures or races organized as a single state

Whoever came up with that definition is wrong.

you mean my Collins English Dictionary? lol

[Gustaf]

I'll never support a nation that forces its children to become suicide bombers.

you are confused, Palestine isn't a Nation, never has been a country, it is just the name of a region.

Who says they aren't a nation? If they think of themselves as a nation, and I think they do, then they are. Not a state perhaps, but a nation.

nation: people of one or more cultures or races organized as a single state

Whoever came up with that definition is wrong.

you mean my Collins English Dictionary? lol

OK, that then.

[dunn]

if the people of south east Sweden will declare themself a nation, will they be one? I agree you don't have to have a state to be a nation (Armenian didn't, thr Kurdish don't) but still that was not Brambila point.

[ShapeShifter]

[Gustaf]

if the people of south east Sweden will declare themself a nation, will they be one? I agree you don't have to have a state to be a nation (Armenian didn't, thr Kurdish don't) but still that was not Brambila point.

Yes. If they believe in it, they would. We come up with words, we own them. Nations are about identities.

[dunn]

if the people of south east Sweden will declare themself a nation, will they be one? I agree you don't have to have a state to be a nation (Armenian didn't, thr Kurdish don't) but still that was not Brambila point.

Yes. If they believe in it, they would. We come up with words, we own them. Nations are about identities.

exectly. a region is not enough

[Gustaf]

if the people of south east Sweden will declare themself a nation, will they be one? I agree you don't have to have a state to be a nation (Armenian didn't, thr Kurdish don't) but still that was not Brambila point.

Yes. If they believe in it, they would. We come up with words, we own them. Nations are about identities.

exectly. a region is not enough

No, of course not. We're not talking about regional identities here.

Israel is a great example that proves my point in fact. The Jewish nation lived on throughout the last 2000 years, even though they didn't have a country or state.

[dunn]

if the people of south east Sweden will declare themself a nation, will they be one? I agree you don't have to have a state to be a nation (Armenian didn't, thr Kurdish don't) but still that was not Brambila point.

Yes. If they believe in it, they would. We come up with words, we own them. Nations are about identities.

exectly. a region is not enough

No, of course not. We're not talking about regional identities here.

Israel is a great example that proves my point in fact. The Jewish nation lived on throughout the last 2000 years, even though they didn't have a country or state.

I said that myself
but there was no palestinian nation even in 1948, they didn't create a state in the teritories when they were in Arab control till 1967

[Gustaf]

if the people of south east Sweden will declare themself a nation, will they be one? I agree you don't have to have a state to be a nation (Armenian didn't, thr Kurdish don't) but still that was not Brambila point.

Yes. If they believe in it, they would. We come up with words, we own them. Nations are about identities.

exectly. a region is not enough

No, of course not. We're not talking about regional identities here.

Israel is a great example that proves my point in fact. The Jewish nation lived on throughout the last 2000 years, even though they didn't have a country or state.

I said that myself
but there was no palestinian nation even in 1948, they didn't create a state in the teritories when they were in Arab control till 1967

No, but if they NOW view themselves as a people they have every right to form an independent state. And I think that their time under occupation have made them a people, after a fashion.

[opebo]

Israel Blows Up Hamas Leader's Car

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040417/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_explosion&cid=540&ncid=716

Another one bites the dust.

and another 100 or so angry palestinians take his place.

The supply of Palestinians is not unlimited

[lidaker]

Which right wing nuts have voted for "Extermination of Palestinians"? And why do you have that as a category? Likewise with the category "Extermination of Israelis".

A bit tasteless.

[Gustaf]

Which right wing nuts have voted for "Extermination of Palestinians"? And why do you have that as a category? Likewise with the category "Extermination of Israelis".

A bit tasteless.

I guess they wanted to cover the whole spectre...Opebo probably voted for extermination of Palestinians, he usually supports that kind of stuff...

[lidaker]

Which right wing nuts have voted for "Extermination of Palestinians"? And why do you have that as a category? Likewise with the category "Extermination of Israelis".

A bit tasteless.

I guess they wanted to cover the whole spectre...Opebo probably voted for extermination of Palestinians, he usually supports that kind of stuff...

Oh. But I don't find it funny. It's like joking about the Holocaust.

[Gustaf]

Which right wing nuts have voted for "Extermination of Palestinians"? And why do you have that as a category? Likewise with the category "Extermination of Israelis".

A bit tasteless.

I guess they wanted to cover the whole spectre...Opebo probably voted for extermination of Palestinians, he usually supports that kind of stuff...

Oh. But I don't find it funny. It's like joking about the Holocaust.

Well, I guess it isn't exactly funny, but one of the great things about the forum is that you get ALL sorts of views, even ones you really disagree with.

[ShapeShifter]

Which right wing nuts have voted for "Extermination of Palestinians"? And why do you have that as a category? Likewise with the category "Extermination of Israelis".

A bit tasteless.

I guess they wanted to cover the whole spectre...Opebo probably voted for extermination of Palestinians, he usually supports that kind of stuff...

Oh. But I don't find it funny. It's like joking about the Holocaust.

Well, I guess it isn't exactly funny, but one of the great things about the forum is that you get ALL sorts of views, even ones you really disagree with.

That is why I really enjoyed those polls I created.

[MAS117]

State of Israel

[dunn]

State of Israel

[dunn]

This is from AP


TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) -- Abdel Aziz Rantisi, the Hamas leader assassinated in an Israeli air strike Saturday, was one of the highest profile and most extreme voices of the violent Islamic group.

He served as Hamas leader in Gaza for less than a month after Israel killed his predecessor, Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin, in a similar helicopter missile strike on March 22.

Rantisi rejected any accommodation with Israel, following strict Hamas ideology that called for destruction of the Jewish state in the Middle East.

A pediatrician by profession with a reasonable command of English, Rantisi was readily available to foreign journalists and was one of the most recognizable of Hamas' leaders.

Even before he was chosen to replace Yassin, Rantisi was in Israeli gunsights. Last year, an Israeli helicopter fired missiles at his vehicle, wounding him.

Rantisi told journalists that day "My priority is to unite the Palestinians in the trenches of resistance because there is no one left who believes in something called the peace process."

Rantisi, Yassin and five other men founded Hamas in 1987 at the start of a first uprising against Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The group grew into one of the region's largest militant Islamic factions and called for a Muslim Middle East without a Jewish state. The United States and Israel regard Hamas as a terrorist organization.