Scott Walker recall goes live

[Jbrase]

I am beginning to think this thread needs a name change.

[Wrecking Ball and Chain]

I saw a band from Milwaukee last night talk a lot about how much they hated Scott Walker.

[AmericanNation]

I saw a band from Milwaukee last night talk a lot about how much they hated Scott Walker.

So what?

did they have any rational or thoughts or was it like 'pure tribal hate filled emotionalism?' 


'that' might be a good band/album name. 

[AmericanNation]

Re: The Life And Times of Herbert Hoover
I am beginning to think this thread needs a name change.

Well, the recall has now shifted into something like:
1) now that Walker is going to win (probably convincingly) is this a game changer for the presidential race? and
2) Is Walker going to use his new massive mandate to impose a new age of Neo-Coolidge-ism? and
3) Why does the mention of Coolidge cause Dems to bring up Hoover within 5 seconds? 

[AmericanNation]

And the nail in the coffin.  The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Barrett's Base) is endorsing Walker.  I think the Recall balloon just deflated completely. 
   

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/we-recommend-walker-his-removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html

[Frodo]

Depending on the results (for Republicans, very encouraging), I think we may be near to finding out who will be Mitt Romney's running-mate....    

Walker becoming president of US is a very scary thought.

Walker isn't going to be VP (...)

You seem quite confident about it. 

[Wrecking Ball and Chain]

I saw a band from Milwaukee last night talk a lot about how much they hated Scott Walker.

So what?

did they have any rational or thoughts or was it like 'pure tribal hate filled emotionalism?' 


'that' might be a good band/album name. 

They were mostly drunk, the show was a joint celebration for the 32nd birthday of the singer of the last band and the 25th birthday of their drummer after all.

[Jbrase]

And the nail in the coffin.  The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Barrett's Base) is endorsing Walker.  I think the Recall balloon just deflated completely. 
   

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/we-recommend-walker-his-removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html

What does the endorsement history MJS look like?

[asexual trans victimologist]

3) Why does the mention of Coolidge cause Dems to bring up Hoover within 5 seconds? 

Generally speaking, a major stock market crash within eight months of one leaving office isn't something to be proud of, even if the bubble leading up to that crash meant that people got to live the high life for the preceding seven or eight years.

[ModerateCoward]

Re: The Life And Times of Herbert Hoover
I am beginning to think this thread needs a name change.

Well, the recall has now shifted into something like:
1) now that Walker is going to win (probably convincingly) is this a game changer for the presidential race? and
2) Is Walker going to use his new massive mandate to impose a new age of Neo-Coolidge-ism? and
3) Why does the mention of Coolidge cause Dems to bring up Hoover within 5 seconds? 

Staying on the Coolidge topic, disregarding Hoover.
Are you familiar with Roaring 20's and the year of 1929? Guess who those achievements belong too?

[Nhoj]

And the nail in the coffin.  The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Barrett's Base) is endorsing Walker.  I think the Recall balloon just deflated completely. 
   

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/we-recommend-walker-his-removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html

What does the endorsement history MJS look like?

pretty sure they endorsed walker in 2010, and often support republicans.

[AmericanNation]

And the nail in the coffin.  The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Barrett's Base) is endorsing Walker.  I think the Recall balloon just deflated completely. 
   

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/we-recommend-walker-his-removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html

What does the endorsement history MJS look like?

pretty sure they endorsed walker in 2010, and often support republicans.

Yea, they sometimes (not "often") begrudgingly try to appear un-hackish.  The editorial board is Left of Center without a doubt.  They typically only support a republican if the democrat is a pathetic token, incompetent, or very likely to lose anyway.  This paper has basically been a protection racket for Barrett's tenure as mayor.  It is strikingly odd for them to point anything 'negative' out in relation to Barrett.  My guess is they see the writing on the wall.       

[ModerateCoward]

This is going to some circus if allegations of corruption are proven true against Walker soon after the election.

[AmericanNation]

This is going to some circus if allegations of corruption are proven true against Walker soon after the election.

Are you talking about the John Doe investigation Walker originally called for?  If so it goes like this:
1) County Executive Walker suspects a problem with a charitable org overseen by the county.
2) Walker asks the District Attorney to look into it. 
3) The guy running the org turned out to be embezzling funds   
4) The John Joe turns into a fishing expedition for the last two years, producing basically nothing so far. 
5) Leaks from the DA office to the Journal Sentinel brings into question the professionalism of the Milwaukee DA office.
6) Democrats pin political hopes on 'a/any result' of the investigation, hopefully timed right before the recall. 

...Judging by what a complete boy scout Walker is, I would have to conclude that nothing close to Walker is there to find.  They might find a few staffers doing political work on government time (by typing an email or something).   

[ModerateCoward]

This is going to some circus if allegations of corruption are proven true against Walker soon after the election.

Are you talking about the John Doe investigation Walker originally called for?  If so it goes like this:
1) County Executive Walker suspects a problem with a charitable org overseen by the county.
2) Walker asks the District Attorney to look into it.  
3) The guy running the org turned out to be embezzling funds    
4) The John Joe turns into a fishing expedition for the last two years, producing basically nothing so far.  
5) Leaks from the DA office to the Journal Sentinel brings into question the professionalism of the Milwaukee DA office.
6) Democrats pin political hopes on 'a/any result' of the investigation, hopefully timed right before the recall.  

...Judging by what a complete boy scout Walker is, I would have to conclude that nothing close to Walker is there to find.  They might find a few staffers doing political work on government time (by typing an email or something).  

You forgot about him hiring unqualified friends for well paid public positions.(some guy with 2 DUI's for $80K a year job). Also isn't it hypocritical to release the better job numbers that don't normally get released until 5 weeks later and then not expect to get indicted in the John Doe investigation?

[AmericanNation]

This is going to some circus if allegations of corruption are proven true against Walker soon after the election.

Are you talking about the John Doe investigation Walker originally called for?  If so it goes like this:
1) County Executive Walker suspects a problem with a charitable org overseen by the county.
2) Walker asks the District Attorney to look into it.  
3) The guy running the org turned out to be embezzling funds    
4) The John Joe turns into a fishing expedition for the last two years, producing basically nothing so far.  
5) Leaks from the DA office to the Journal Sentinel brings into question the professionalism of the Milwaukee DA office.
6) Democrats pin political hopes on 'a/any result' of the investigation, hopefully timed right before the recall.  

...Judging by what a complete boy scout Walker is, I would have to conclude that nothing close to Walker is there to find.  They might find a few staffers doing political work on government time (by typing an email or something).  

You forgot about him hiring unqualified friends for well paid public positions.(some guy with 2 DUI's for $80K a year job). Also isn't it hypocritical to release the better job numbers that don't normally get released until 5 weeks later and then not expect to get indicted in the John Doe investigation?

what?
1)a public employee had a DUI... ok.
2) no.  releasing important information to the public is a good thing not a bad thing. 
3) why would you expect to get indicted if you didn't do anything?  he hasn't even been accused of anything.  You aren't making a coherent point, that I can tell. 

[ModerateCoward]

This is going to some circus if allegations of corruption are proven true against Walker soon after the election.

Are you talking about the John Doe investigation Walker originally called for?  If so it goes like this:
1) County Executive Walker suspects a problem with a charitable org overseen by the county.
2) Walker asks the District Attorney to look into it.  
3) The guy running the org turned out to be embezzling funds    
4) The John Joe turns into a fishing expedition for the last two years, producing basically nothing so far.  
5) Leaks from the DA office to the Journal Sentinel brings into question the professionalism of the Milwaukee DA office.
6) Democrats pin political hopes on 'a/any result' of the investigation, hopefully timed right before the recall.  

...Judging by what a complete boy scout Walker is, I would have to conclude that nothing close to Walker is there to find.  They might find a few staffers doing political work on government time (by typing an email or something).  

You forgot about him hiring unqualified friends for well paid public positions.(some guy with 2 DUI's for $80K a year job). Also isn't it hypocritical to release the better job numbers that don't normally get released until 5 weeks later and then not expect to get indicted in the John Doe investigation?

what?
1)a public employee had a DUI... ok.
2) no.  releasing important information to the public is a good thing not a bad thing. 
3) why would you expect to get indicted if you didn't do anything?  he hasn't even been accused of anything.  You aren't making a coherent point, that I can tell. 

He released information that traditionally doesn't get released until June for his political gain(to defend himself from re-election), so why would it be wrong for Democrats to indict him before the re-election for their political gain?

[Torie]

This is going to some circus if allegations of corruption are proven true against Walker soon after the election.

Are you talking about the John Doe investigation Walker originally called for?  If so it goes like this:
1) County Executive Walker suspects a problem with a charitable org overseen by the county.
2) Walker asks the District Attorney to look into it.  
3) The guy running the org turned out to be embezzling funds    
4) The John Joe turns into a fishing expedition for the last two years, producing basically nothing so far.  
5) Leaks from the DA office to the Journal Sentinel brings into question the professionalism of the Milwaukee DA office.
6) Democrats pin political hopes on 'a/any result' of the investigation, hopefully timed right before the recall.  

...Judging by what a complete boy scout Walker is, I would have to conclude that nothing close to Walker is there to find.  They might find a few staffers doing political work on government time (by typing an email or something).  

You forgot about him hiring unqualified friends for well paid public positions.(some guy with 2 DUI's for $80K a year job). Also isn't it hypocritical to release the better job numbers that don't normally get released until 5 weeks later and then not expect to get indicted in the John Doe investigation?

what?
1)a public employee had a DUI... ok.
2) no.  releasing important information to the public is a good thing not a bad thing. 
3) why would you expect to get indicted if you didn't do anything?  he hasn't even been accused of anything.  You aren't making a coherent point, that I can tell. 

He released information that traditionally doesn't get released until June for his political gain(to defend himself from re-election), so why would it be wrong for Democrats to indict him before the re-election for their political gain?

If you are referring to the good employment numbers in Wisconsin, as to what Walker released, he said specifically on Fox News, that the employment data was gathered per federal mandate in the normal course for the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and released on, and not before,  the deadline date. In fact, he made a point of that without being asked, because I guess even though Greta did not know about that charge, he wanted to respond anyway. So that does not comport with a claim of early release.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And why would releasing data early be a reason for someone vote differently? If it is good data and he wanted to be known, barring the breaking of any laws, why would people care even if it was to benefit his campaign.

Now if he had delayed the data so as to avoid the release of bad news before the election or had altered in some way as to make things look better then they were, then people would be outraged and rightfully.

[ModerateCoward]

And why would releasing data early be a reason for someone vote differently? If it is good data and he wanted to be known, barring the breaking of any laws, why would people care even if it was to benefit his campaign.

Now if he had delayed the data so as to avoid the release of bad news before the election or had altered in some way as to make things look better then they were, then people would be outraged and rightfully.

Isn't that data usually released later, and could still be revised, and is usually released after revision?
http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/update-walker-releases-better-jobs-data/article_6f6c2302-9f54-11e1-9c91-001a4bcf887a.html

[krazen1211]

He released information that traditionally doesn't get released until June for his political gain(to defend himself from re-election), so why would it be wrong for Democrats to indict him before the re-election for their political gain?

Since when can political parties indict anyone? Or are you suggesting the investigation is led by partisans?

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And why would releasing data early be a reason for someone vote differently? If it is good data and he wanted to be known, barring the breaking of any laws, why would people care even if it was to benefit his campaign.

Now if he had delayed the data so as to avoid the release of bad news before the election or had altered in some way as to make things look better then they were, then people would be outraged and rightfully.

Isn't that data usually released later, and could still be revised, and is usually released after revision?
http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/update-walker-releases-better-jobs-data/article_6f6c2302-9f54-11e1-9c91-001a4bcf887a.html

Isn't both the GDP and Unemployment data nationwide released and then revised later?

[ModerateCoward]

And why would releasing data early be a reason for someone vote differently? If it is good data and he wanted to be known, barring the breaking of any laws, why would people care even if it was to benefit his campaign.

Now if he had delayed the data so as to avoid the release of bad news before the election or had altered in some way as to make things look better then they were, then people would be outraged and rightfully.

Isn't that data usually released later, and could still be revised, and is usually released after revision?
http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/update-walker-releases-better-jobs-data/article_6f6c2302-9f54-11e1-9c91-001a4bcf887a.html

Isn't both the GDP and Unemployment data nationwide released and then revised later?

It's checked before it's released by the BLS, than revised later I think.

[AmericanNation]

And why would releasing data early be a reason for someone vote differently? If it is good data and he wanted to be known, barring the breaking of any laws, why would people care even if it was to benefit his campaign.

Now if he had delayed the data so as to avoid the release of bad news before the election or had altered in some way as to make things look better then they were, then people would be outraged and rightfully.

Isn't that data usually released later, and could still be revised, and is usually released after revision?
http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/update-walker-releases-better-jobs-data/article_6f6c2302-9f54-11e1-9c91-001a4bcf887a.html

Isn't both the GDP and Unemployment data nationwide released and then revised later?

It's checked before it's released by the BLS, than revised later I think.

There isn't a lot to revise as this data is basically a 'count' not a projection.  The dems got furious about it because they were making a flawed projection (from earlier in the year) the main feature of the campaign and these numbers made them look ridiculous...  and you know that could never happen without an evil right wing conspiracy. 

An economist from some state agency gave a detailed presentation suggesting that the earlier projection was an out-layer a month or more ago and the dems just went berserk on the poor guy for the sin of telling the truth and being smart.  Now Walker has committed the same sin.  They actually think it is against the law to tell the public the truth...  weird.         

[krazen1211]

Lol, dominating.

Another day, another poll, another big lead for Scott Walker.

http://wauwatosa.patch.com/articles/walker-maintains-consistent-lead-over-barrett-in-latest-poll

In a telephone survey of 406 Wisconsin residents conducted between Thursday and Tuesday, 50 percent of respondents said they would vote for Walker compared to 45 percent for Barrett if the election were held today. Five percent remained undecided.