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« Reply #625 on: June 06, 2012, 02:23:51 pm »
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What you don't seem to get is there used to be limits on how much corporations and individuals could give to candidates.  Now there are not. 

Now we have to make sure it stays that way (shouldn't be too difficult) and that the people approve of this policy, which will take effort. It would also be heartening to see other nations adopt similar laws, of course.
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« Reply #626 on: June 06, 2012, 02:32:04 pm »
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What you don't seem to get is there used to be limits on how much corporations and individuals could give to candidates.  Now there are not. 

Now we have to make sure it stays that way (shouldn't be too difficult) and that the people approve of this policy, which will take effort. It would also be heartening to see other nations adopt similar laws, of course.

Why?  So corporations can continue buying/controlling politicians and legislation?
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« Reply #627 on: June 06, 2012, 02:53:25 pm »
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we need to make sure that we can have transparency in campaign finance.
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« Reply #628 on: June 06, 2012, 02:57:03 pm »
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Could everyone grow the fyck up, please? Diolch.
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« Reply #629 on: June 06, 2012, 02:58:12 pm »
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What you don't seem to get is there used to be limits on how much corporations and individuals could give to candidates.  Now there are not. 

Now we have to make sure it stays that way (shouldn't be too difficult) and that the people approve of this policy, which will take effort. It would also be heartening to see other nations adopt similar laws, of course.

Why?  So corporations can continue buying/controlling politicians and legislation?

Because not allowing you to spend money in support of your candidate -- yes, however much you want, even if that number exceeds some arbitrary limit -- is frankly rather authoritarian.
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« Reply #630 on: June 06, 2012, 03:45:10 pm »
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Why do some people here want a plutocracy? You childish hacks, this is not a partisan issue, but rather something that could fundamentally change how the country operates. Do all you Republicans really support wealthy people and corporations controlling political campaigns? And please don't respond with some silly "omgz obama did it too omgz", but rather how you truly feel campaigns should be run. And while money isn't always that important in races like for President or Governor (especially when the candidate being bombarded is well known like Jerry Brown), they do matter for lower level races.

Anyways, what we need is transparency. If you donate money to a campaign, everyone should be able to know immediately who you donated to and how much. Not months after the fact when the campaign might be over. And even that isn't enough. Citizens v United will ruin this country, and it's sickening to see some celebrating it. This is not a partisan issue, and I hope you Republicans who are being benefited now will recognize that.
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« Reply #631 on: June 06, 2012, 03:52:02 pm »
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What you don't seem to get is there used to be limits on how much corporations and individuals could give to candidates.  Now there are not.  

Now we have to make sure it stays that way (shouldn't be too difficult) and that the people approve of this policy, which will take effort. It would also be heartening to see other nations adopt similar laws, of course.

Why?  So corporations can continue buying/controlling politicians and legislation?

Because not allowing you to spend money in support of your candidate -- yes, however much you want, even if that number exceeds some arbitrary limit -- is frankly rather authoritarian.

And letting the guy who has all of the cash make the decisions is not (whether it's Democrats or Republicans calling the shots)?
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« Reply #632 on: June 06, 2012, 06:24:55 pm »
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On this money thing, the Dems could have poured money into the sinkhole if they wanted to. They wisely chose not to. Plus, internal public employee union communications, facilitation, transportation, and boots on the ground is not counted in the financial figures. Finally, money has decreasing marginal returns. I suspect most voters were aware of the key issues.

In other news, the public employee unions took it on the chin in San Diego (where the Pubs may be headed to taking over the city council to boot), and in San Jose. They had a really bad night. There appears to be a new sheriff in town.

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« Reply #633 on: June 06, 2012, 10:22:00 pm »
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Do you think these ballot measures in SD and SJ are legal? If so that is a good measure to put on the state ballot. I bet it would pass easily.
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« Reply #634 on: June 06, 2012, 10:24:06 pm »
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There might be a good case for restricting donations if there was evidence that lots of money can buy elections. There isn't.
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« Reply #635 on: June 06, 2012, 11:21:08 pm »
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So Walker +6.8 is final margin, it seems. Solid win for him. A bit bigger than I was expecting.

It's kind of cool that the Dems actually took the Senate though, I guess. I was kind of surprised when I read that this morning.
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« Reply #636 on: June 06, 2012, 11:48:40 pm »
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Here is the inevitable "Hitler finds out..." video lol..
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« Reply #637 on: June 07, 2012, 11:22:42 am »
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The left's other hope for removing Walker has been the possibility that he is convicted for alleged crimes in Milwaukee. Now that the recall bullet has been fired,  he can't be recalled even if indicted. Even if convicted, he would merely have to resign, allowing his Lt Governor to serve at least one year before being subject to recall. Nor, do I believe Walker would opt for a "speedy trial." Whatever happens, it looks like there will be a Republican governor in Wisconsin until the 2014 election.
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« Reply #638 on: June 08, 2012, 09:06:19 am »
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Could everyone grow the fyck up, please? Diolch.
Bit late for that, is it not?
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« Reply #639 on: June 08, 2012, 04:14:37 pm »
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Walker actually won a ward in Madison proper, a very suburban area on the far west side.

At the other extreme, there were eleven Barrett 90+ wards in the city - two in minority areas on the south side, one on campus, one off Monroe St, and then seven contiguous wards (of which two were 95+) encompassing the area basically from Blair St. out to Commercial Ave. between the lakes and Starkweather Creek.
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« Reply #640 on: August 19, 2012, 08:33:19 am »
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Walker actually won a ward in Madison proper, a very suburban area on the far west side.

At the other extreme, there were eleven Barrett 90+ wards in the city - two in minority areas on the south side, one on campus, one off Monroe St, and then seven contiguous wards (of which two were 95+) encompassing the area basically from Blair St. out to Commercial Ave. between the lakes and Starkweather Creek.
On some levels that is scary. On others, sad.  Lot's of mixed feelings about the peoples republic of Madistan.   
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« Reply #641 on: August 19, 2012, 10:20:48 am »
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Primary results in Milwaukee County.

http://whitefishbay.patch.com/articles/pasch-wins-10th-assembly-district-seat

The village voted for Pasch by an overwhelming majority — nearly 96 percent, according to unofficial results from the Shorewood Village Clerk's office.

Of the 3,531 ballots cast in her favor, Pasch received 2,060 from Shorewood residents, which is 35 percent of all of those who voted in the race.






Amazing!  White liberals in shorewood decide to vote in lockstep for a white liberal to overtake the votes of 44k 80+% black precincts in Milwaukee.

Pasch appears to have gotten roughly 1600 votes in Milwaukee precincts while the black candidate Coby got roughly 1950 votes in Milwaukee.
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« Reply #642 on: August 19, 2012, 11:11:08 am »
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Primary results in Milwaukee County.

http://whitefishbay.patch.com/articles/pasch-wins-10th-assembly-district-seat

The village voted for Pasch by an overwhelming majority — nearly 96 percent, according to unofficial results from the Shorewood Village Clerk's office.

Of the 3,531 ballots cast in her favor, Pasch received 2,060 from Shorewood residents, which is 35 percent of all of those who voted in the race.






Amazing!  White liberals in shorewood decide to vote in lockstep for a white liberal to overtake the votes of 44k 80+% black precincts in Milwaukee.

Pasch appears to have gotten roughly 1600 votes in Milwaukee precincts while the black candidate Coby got roughly 1950 votes in Milwaukee.

Krazen unexpectedly forgets to mention that Pasch was already representing Shorewood and that she, unlike the other candidates, campaigned door-to-door.
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« Reply #643 on: August 19, 2012, 04:08:42 pm »
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Primary results in Milwaukee County.

http://whitefishbay.patch.com/articles/pasch-wins-10th-assembly-district-seat

The village voted for Pasch by an overwhelming majority — nearly 96 percent, according to unofficial results from the Shorewood Village Clerk's office.

Of the 3,531 ballots cast in her favor, Pasch received 2,060 from Shorewood residents, which is 35 percent of all of those who voted in the race.






Amazing!  White liberals in shorewood decide to vote in lockstep for a white liberal to overtake the votes of 44k 80+% black precincts in Milwaukee.

Pasch appears to have gotten roughly 1600 votes in Milwaukee precincts while the black candidate Coby got roughly 1950 votes in Milwaukee.

Krazen unexpectedly forgets to mention that Pasch was already representing Shorewood and that she, unlike the other candidates, campaigned door-to-door.

Oh yes, I'm well aware of that. What is interesting, other than the absurd soviet style 96-3 margin, is that the black candidate was from Shorewood while Pasch is from Whitefish Bay!

It's no wonder that blacks demand their own districts when white liberals parachute in from elsewhere and steal their districts. Coby had the support of much of the Milwaukee black establishment, but obviously that was not enough to stop Pasch.
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« Reply #644 on: August 21, 2012, 06:51:09 am »
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Primary results in Milwaukee County.

http://whitefishbay.patch.com/articles/pasch-wins-10th-assembly-district-seat

The village voted for Pasch by an overwhelming majority — nearly 96 percent, according to unofficial results from the Shorewood Village Clerk's office.

Of the 3,531 ballots cast in her favor, Pasch received 2,060 from Shorewood residents, which is 35 percent of all of those who voted in the race.






Amazing!  White liberals in shorewood decide to vote in lockstep for a white liberal to overtake the votes of 44k 80+% black precincts in Milwaukee.

Pasch appears to have gotten roughly 1600 votes in Milwaukee precincts while the black candidate Coby got roughly 1950 votes in Milwaukee.

Krazen unexpectedly forgets to mention that Pasch was already representing Shorewood and that she, unlike the other candidates, campaigned door-to-door.

Oh yes, I'm well aware of that. What is interesting, other than the absurd soviet style 96-3 margin, is that the black candidate was from Shorewood while Pasch is from Whitefish Bay!

It's no wonder that blacks demand their own districts when white liberals parachute in from elsewhere and steal their districts. Coby had the support of much of the Milwaukee black establishment, but obviously that was not enough to stop Pasch.
Amazing how much the media covered the congressional redistricting and portrayed it as an extreme+illegal republican conspiracy (when in fact it was just about the least aggressive a party with complete control could possibly be) (the only court action was to move a line dividing two DEMOCRAT districts so that Hispanics would have a better chance at representation) and this systematic wipe out of black officials at the hands of east side white 'progressives' is "nothing to see here, nothing happening here, I'm shocked--shocked at the suggestion."

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« Reply #645 on: August 21, 2012, 07:03:06 am »
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News on the indictment of Governor Walker that will happen "any day now" for the last 27 months...
http://wisconsinreporter.com/exclusive-da-questions-john-doe-evidence-gathering-methods

The Milwaukee County DA is apparently expanding the net into state government ('covertly' via open records request), despite the fact that the John Doe investigation started  (at Walker's request) before Walker was elected governor and despite the fact that it appears to be unusual, desperate, and out of jurisdiction.  Apparently you can be perpetually investigated forever (27 months and counting) for no reason in the democrats version of America.  This witch hunt needed to end yesterday. 
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