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« on: November 26, 2011, 07:01:18 PM »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/8918377/Lib-Dems-rebranding-to-boost-partys-popularity.html

LOL, what is this?
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 07:30:58 PM »

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At least they know what type of people they're after.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2011, 07:39:10 PM »

More "short term political expediency"? I think they're missing the point.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2011, 07:41:48 PM »

There's a statute of limitations on being anti-slavery.  Three intervening name changes and multiple total ideological shifts mean that you can't talk about that anymore.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2011, 08:24:07 PM »

There's a statute of limitations on being anti-slavery.  Three intervening name changes and multiple total ideological shifts mean that you can't talk about that anymore.

They why do the Democrats still claim Jefferson and the Republicans claim Lincoln?
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2011, 08:25:23 PM »

Does this mean that they also intend to claim responsibility for the Potato Famine?
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2011, 08:34:38 PM »

lol presumably.

Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JwEHkjQrw
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 04:46:31 AM »

Does this mean that they also intend to claim responsibility for the Potato Famine?

Or Gallipoli?
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2011, 06:25:01 AM »

It is still better than what the Swedish conservatives did recently, taking credit for the introduction of democracy and Sweden's anti-apartheid stand even though they constituted the main opposition to both. That didn't really fly though.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2011, 12:20:32 PM »

There's a statute of limitations on being anti-slavery.  Three intervening name changes and multiple total ideological shifts mean that you can't talk about that anymore.

They why do the Democrats still claim Jefferson and the Republicans claim Lincoln?

Honestly, neither should do so.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 01:27:10 PM »

Funny how, at one point, Wilberforce was actually a Tory.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 07:30:13 PM »
« Edited: November 27, 2011, 07:41:15 PM by Drunk Rick Perry »

Also of note, with Europe so high in the headlines, they've only been averaging about a 1-2% lead over UKIP. Could fall behind them given time...
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 07:53:33 PM »

Would UKIP actually be able to win any seats if they ended up polling 8%?
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 07:56:17 PM »

Probably not, no. Their support is pretty diffuse.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2011, 07:59:29 PM »

There's a statute of limitations on being anti-slavery.  Three intervening name changes and multiple total ideological shifts mean that you can't talk about that anymore.

They why do the Democrats still claim Jefferson and the Republicans claim Lincoln?

Democrats claim Jefferson because he, like the current party, claimed to represent the interests of the working man.

Republicans claim Lincoln because...who wouldn't? Never mind the fact that Lincoln was probably the most left-wing president in history.
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2011, 08:00:03 PM »

Probably not, no. Their support is pretty diffuse.

WIthout knowing I'd also guess that they would poll their best in very solid Tory constituencies where a win would be very difficult?
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2011, 08:12:30 PM »

WIthout knowing I'd also guess that they would poll their best in very solid Tory constituencies where a win would be very difficult?

It's slightly more complicated than that, but that's certainly one of their main problems. If you look at the green and brown (ignore the red) constituencies - they show the ones in which UKIP saved their deposit (i.e. polled over 5%) in 2010 - on this map...



...and compare to this one...



If they were to make a breakthrough (outside mass Tory base defection in, say, Essex) it might actually be out in the West Country, now that a Liberal vote is a pro-government vote. But I don't think they've ever really made much of an effort in that kind of direction.
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