Are Republicans against vaccinations?

[Verily]

The difference is that everyone SHOULD get it, but the way he went about doing it was inappropriate.

I doubt the benefit exceeds the risk for the average Amish thirteen year-old girl.

Not at all clear. For that matter, the same argument could also apply to the polio vaccine for any individual person.

[Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel]

Even if she doesn't have consensual sex, there's always the risk of a sexual assault.  And getting HPV as a result of that just adds insult to injury.

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Polio vaccine side effects also include death. Michelle Bachmann has never objected to the polio vaccine. Both happen in extraordinarily rare circumstances.

1) Polio is a contagious disease.

Yeah dude, so is HPV...

2) Between 11 and 16  children are at risk of polio. Between 11 and 16 the same is not necessarily true of HPV/genital warts. Bachmann has no objection to parents whom believe their eleven year-old is at risk from vaccinating.

Where do you live Bangladesh?  How many American 11-16 year old girls get polio?  I guarantee you there are exponentially more 11-16 year old girls with genital warts in the United States than have polio.  That is a fact.

I doubt the benefit exceeds the risk for the average Amish thirteen year-old girl.

The Amish have historically made poor choices in regards to vaccinations.  I really wouldn't hold them up as an example.  Observe...



All this information is available for free on the CDC website.  Instead of screaming for smaller government why don't you actually utilize the first rate services the United States government is providing for the entire planet.  With the amount of general ignorance about healthcare in America it's amazing Republicans are running for office based on cutting the CDC budget.  Amazing...

[BigSkyBob]

If an Amish girl's parents don't want her to get it, they should have the right to object, but eventually she's going to have sex (probably), and should still be protected.

This is a rather bizarre assumption. It me, it seems more likely that she is about to enter into a monogomous relationship with an Amish boy whom isn't infected with any of the strains.

In that case, the risk of a severe reaction to shots, and the cost, outweigh the benefits.

[BigSkyBob]

The difference is that everyone SHOULD get it, but the way he went about doing it was inappropriate.

I doubt the benefit exceeds the risk for the average Amish thirteen year-old girl.

Not at all clear. For that matter, the same argument could also apply to the polio vaccine for any individual person.

1) I think it is pretty clear that the average Amish thirteen year-old girl is not a risk of HPV infection.

2) Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

[BigSkyBob]

Polio vaccine side effects also include death. Michelle Bachmann has never objected to the polio vaccine. Both happen in extraordinarily rare circumstances.

1) Polio is a contagious disease.

Yeah dude, so is HPV...

You wish to raise a distinction doesn't make a difference. Very well. Polio is a contagious disease that places fellow students involuntarily at risk. HPV does not place fellow students at involuntary risk.

Since HIV meets you definition of a "contagious" disease, should we take steps to exclude such students from public schools?

2) Between 11 and 16  children are at risk of polio. Between 11 and 16 the same is not necessarily true of HPV/genital warts. Bachmann has no objection to parents whom believe their eleven year-old is at risk from vaccinating.

Where do you live Bangladesh?  How many American 11-16 year old girls get polio?  I guarantee you there are exponentially more 11-16 year old girls with genital warts in the United States than have polio.  That is a fact.

Again, any student in a classroom is at risk of Polio infection, thus the mandate to vaccinate. Any student in a classroom is not necessarily at risk of HPV, depending on their sexual behavior.

If you wish to quibble about the rarity of Polio, may I suggest that the solution to your quibble is to restrict mandatory vaccinations to other contagious diseases such as the measles and diphtheria, not mandate HPV vaccines.

This is simply a question of what should be a condition for attending school.

I doubt the benefit exceeds the risk for the average Amish thirteen year-old girl.

The Amish have historically made poor choices in regards to vaccinations.  I really wouldn't hold them up as an example.  Observe...

I don't think you really want to open that debate. We could compare rates of infects of HPV, genital herpes, HIV, and a host of other STDS for the Amish against the general population. Who makes better choices than whom would be an interesting question.

All this information is available for free on the CDC website.  Instead of screaming for smaller government why don't you actually utilize the first rate services the United States government is providing for the entire planet.  With the amount of general ignorance about healthcare in America it's amazing Republicans are running for office based on cutting the CDC budget.  Amazing...

Pure piffle posted with Emperor and His New Clothes indignation.

[krazen1211]

It hardly makes any sense for a federal government official to be for or against vaccines. One might as well talk about whether the federal government is for wide ruled or college ruled notebooks.

[Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel]

If an Amish girl's parents don't want her to get it, they should have the right to object, but eventually she's going to have sex (probably), and should still be protected.

This is a rather bizarre assumption. It me, it seems more likely that she is about to enter into a monogomous relationship with an Amish boy whom isn't infected with any of the strains.

In that case, the risk of a severe reaction to shots, and the cost, outweigh the benefits.

1) Assuming she stays Amish.
2) Assuming her husband was never sexually active.
3) Assuming she never get sexually assaulted.

That's a decision the parents should make, but Bachmann's crusade against this vaccine was for people other than the Amish.

[memphis]

If an Amish girl's parents don't want her to get it, they should have the right to object.

Disagree. Denying your child medical care is abuse by definition. Abuse your child. Lose your child. Ditto for the Jehovah's Witnesses are their damn blood transfusion phobia.

[BigSkyBob]

If an Amish girl's parents don't want her to get it, they should have the right to object, but eventually she's going to have sex (probably), and should still be protected.

This is a rather bizarre assumption. It me, it seems more likely that she is about to enter into a monogomous relationship with an Amish boy whom isn't infected with any of the strains.

In that case, the risk of a severe reaction to shots, and the cost, outweigh the benefits.

1) Assuming she stays Amish.
2) Assuming her husband was never sexually active.
3) Assuming she never get sexually assaulted.

That's a decision the parents should make, but Bachmann's crusade against this vaccine was for people other than the Amish.

1) If she leaves the Amish, she could vaccinate herself. No issue there.
2) The assumption is that her husband will remain faithful, and, he isn't infected.

If he is infected, she could vaccinate herself before marriage.

3) The number of rapes among the Amish is?

Bachmann's point is for parental rights, including those of the Amish.

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Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

That's a lie.

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3) The number of rapes among the Amish is?

Dunno.  Somewhere north of 0.  What do you feel the tolerable level of rapiness is?

[Ebowed]

Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

Uh, what?

[BigSkyBob]

Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

That's a lie.

That is an assertion that is itself is a "lie."

Everything thing I stated I believe to be True, therefore, it cannot possibly be a "lie."

If you have any evidence that I am in "error," by all means share it.

[BigSkyBob]

Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

Uh, what?

Um, sitting in the same classroom as a student with TB, polio, or diptheria places the other students at risk of contracting those diseases. The same is simply not True of HPV.

The notion that vaccinating against a disease that does not place any other student at risk should be a condition of attending school is absurd.

[Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel]

Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

Uh, what?

Um, sitting in the same classroom as a student with TB, polio, or diptheria places the other students at risk of contracting those diseases. The same is simply not True of HPV.

The notion that vaccinating against a disease that does not place any other student at risk should be a condition of attending school is absurd.

It's not an airborne disease, but it IS contagious.

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Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

That's a lie.

Everything thing I stated I believe to be True, therefore, it cannot possibly be a "lie."

If you have any evidence that I am in "error," by all means share it.

http://bit.ly/usPR1S

[BigSkyBob]

Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

Uh, what?

Um, sitting in the same classroom as a student with TB, polio, or diphtheria places the other students at risk of contracting those diseases. The same is simply not True of HPV.

The notion that vaccinating against a disease that does not place any other student at risk should be a condition of attending school is absurd.

It's not an airborne disease, but it IS contagious.

Again, airborne diseases place the other students in the room at risk, whereas HPV does not. There is a rationale for insisting being vaccinated against "airborne" diseases be a condition for attending school. There is no such rationale for a disease such as HPV that are not spread airborne.

That simply is a distinction that makes a difference. If you believe that the state has the authority to mandate HPV vaccinations then you believe that the state, not parents, have the final say over those children's medical care. That is where the supports of Merck differ from Bachmann's position.

[BigSkyBob]

Polio is a contagious disease, HPV is not.

That's a lie.

Everything thing I stated I believe to be True, therefore, it cannot possibly be a "lie."

If you have any evidence that I am in "error," by all means share it.

http://bit.ly/usPR1S

HPV is not "contagious" in a classroom setting. That is the context to which I was referring, and you know it.