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« on: November 30, 2011, 10:23:01 pm »
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Election Night 1992: Bush vs Clinton vs Perot
Good evening, tonight we determine who will be President for the next four years. Will President Bush prove the pundits and pollsters wrong and win reelection to another four years? Will governor Clinton perform as expected and win the White House back for the democrats? Or will Ross Perot pull the miracle of all miracles and be the first independent President?

I think the thing we can say at the outset here is that Ross Perot is going to loose tonight. It just doesn't look good for him at this hour.

Haha that might have been the easiest thing to predict tonight. We do have some projections at the 7 o'clock hour tonight. Big news for democrats as they carry Vermont, governor Clinton carries that state tonight. He is the first democrat to do so since 1964. President Bush wins Indiana, vice president Quayle's home state, and the state of South Carolina.  Georgia, Kentucky, and Virgnia are all too close to call at this time.


George HW Bush Wins Indiana

George HW Bush Wins South Carolina

Bill Clinton Wins Vermont


Bush: 20        Clinton: 3        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

Alright and the night begins.

Yes its looking like Bill Clinton had the lead in the polls and the upper hand with the predicted electoral count tonight. So, govenor Clinton is favored. The question is though, can enough things fall President Bush's way where he wins reelection?

Thats something to think about.

I have to interrupt...Bush Wins Virgnia. Thats our projection at this moment:


George HW Bush Wins Virgnia
Bush: 33        Clinton: 3        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2011, 10:27:47 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2011, 10:46:52 pm »
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We can say that West Virgnia is now too early to call. Ohio is too close to call those are the news headlines at 7:30 on the east coast tonight. Lets look at some of these states that are too close to call or too early to call at the moment. Lets start with West Virgnia. What would an educated gues be tonight?

Oh it goes for Clinton by seven to twelve percentage points. Its a solid democratic state, only voted republican twice since 1932. This is a democratic state.

So President Bush really doesn't have a prayer there tonight?

Not hardly.

What about Ohio?

Now, Ohio unlike West Virgnia is probably going to be very unpredictable tonight. Both candidates spent a lot of time there. No republican has won the white house without carrying the state of Ohio. This will be a state to watch.

But, some republicans have carried Ohio and still not won the White House.

Thats right in the Kennedy vs Nixon 1960 race, Nixon carried Ohio, though Kennedy narrowly won the election nationally.

You predicted the percentage point margin in West Virgnia, what about Ohio?

Maybe President Bush by anywhere from one to three percentage points. Its a republican state for the most part, or atleast the base of it is republican. Democrats have to count on the big cities to deliver for them there. Its a tough fight for democrats. But, democrats can be very enthusiastic and pull it through for democrats in that state.

Even if Bush wins Ohio, it doesn't necessarily mean he wins the election nationwide.

No, but the President must carry Ohio if he wants to win

If he doesn't want to win, then he doesn't have to carry it

Haha. No, I think the President wants Ohio pretty badly.

Very quickly Kentucky and Georgia...

Well, Georgia, they have some big democratic names down there trying to carry the state for Clinton. But, for the past few elections, Georgia has been strong republican.

And Kentucky, then we have to go to a break...

If President Bush looses Kentucky, the election is probably over for him.

Alright more to come. Bush leads with 33 to 3 for Clinton, Perot has none it takes 270 needed to win. A projection when we come back, stay with us.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2011, 10:50:55 pm »
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Clinton Wins West Virgnia;He Still Trails President Bush in Electoral Vote Count
You saw it there, Bill Clinton wins West Virgnia. It stays in the democratic column tonight.

Bill Clinton Wins West Virgnia
Bush: 33        Clinton: 8        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

Well that wasn't much of a surprise.

No Clinton wins that state easily tonight according to our projections.

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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2011, 11:04:51 pm »
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8 o'clock on the east coast: electoral vote count expands
It is 8 o'clock on the east coast and here are our projections at this time:

George HW Bush Wins Alabama

Bill Clinton Wins the District of Columbia

Bill Clinton Wins Illinois

Bill Clinton Wins Maryland

Bill Clinton Wins Massachusetts

George HW Bush Wins Oklahoma

George HW Bush Wins South Dakota

Bill Clinton Wins Pennsylvania

George HW Bush Wins Texas

Bush: 85        Clinton: 56         Perot: 0         270 needed to win

Pretty predictable on both sides.

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2011, 11:08:14 pm »
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We have two more projections:

Bill Clinton Wins Michigan

George HW Bush Wins New Hampshire

Bush: 89        Clinton: 96        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

Well, its advantage Clinton. But, President Bush seems to be holding his own. Clinton wins three big ones in Michigan, Illinois, and Pennsylvania. But, President Bush is trying to hold on by carrying Texas.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2011, 11:59:32 am »
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Okay, in somewhat of a surprise, Arkansas and North Carolina are too close to call as they close their polls.

Arkansas was expected to go to governor Clinton as it is his home state, it will probably ver likely do that. But, at this hour, it is undecided. Also in North Carolina, voted republican many times for President over the years. Clinton hoped to be competetive against the President there, will be be competetive enough to carry the state? We don't know its too close to call at this time.

Heres a big hurdle the President needed to overcome, Georgia stays with the President tonight.


George HW Bush Wins Georgia
Bush: 102          Clinton: 96         Perot: 0        270 needed to win

That is a big hurdle for the President to overcome. His goal going into tonight was holding the south together for the republicans at the top of the ticket. If he did that he could at least stay in the race tonight.

He has Alabama, Georiga, Virgnia, and Texas. Those are major victories for a struggling republican ticket tonight.

They are good news for the President. This is too, North Carolina will vote for Bush tonight.


George HW Bush Wins North Carolina
Bush: 116         Clinton: 96        Perot: 0         270 needed to win

Major Bush Projection: Florida Goes to Bush
This is a major victory for President Bush. Florida stays in the republican column tonight and votes for the President again tonight.

George HW Bush Wins Florida
Bush: 141        Clinton: 96        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

Wow suddenly Bush opens up a wide lead over governor Clinton in the electoral college vote count.

Its good news for the President. But, too early to draw conclusions right now. Clinton still has some fire in him.

The presidential election is too early to call at this time. We are coming back with polls closing at 9 o'clock on the east coast, and even before that, maybe another projection for the President. Stay with us. This is getting interesting.
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Just before the 9 o'clock hour, we can declare that Kentucky will stay in the republican column. Considered another must win for the republicans tonight, Kentucky will stay in the republican column according to our projections:

George HW Bush Wins Kentucky
Bush: 149        Clinton: 96         Perot: 0        270 needed to win

And now at the 9 o'clock hour, we have some more projections. It looks like the electoral vote count for the President will grow.u
George HW Bush Wins Arizona

George HW Bush Wins Louisiana

Bill Clinton Wins Arkansas

Bill Clinton Wins Minnesota

George HW Bush Wins New Jersey

Bill Clinton Wins New York

Bill Clinton Wins Rhode Island

George HW Bush Wins Mississippi

George HW Bush Wins Kansas

George HW Bush Wins Nebraska

George HW Bush Wins Wyoming

Bush: 202        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We have another major projection for the President. Ohio will stay in the republican column. Ohio goes to Bush.

George HW Bush Wins Ohio
Bush: 223        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win
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President Bush will also win Colorado.

George HW Bush Wins Colorado
Bush: 231         Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win
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President Bush will also win New Mexico

George HW Bush Wins New Mexico
Bush: 236        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

In a surprise just before 10 o'clock, we can declare that Wisconsin will vote for Preisdent Bush tonight.

George HW Bush Wins Wisconsin
Bush: 247        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

Just moments before the 10 o'clock hour, we can also declare Missouri for the President.
George HW Bush Wins Missouri
Bush: 258        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

A major national projection coming up at the 10 o'clock hour. Stay with us.
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President Bush wins reelection tonight. He, once again, carries vice president Dan Quayle into office with him for another four years. Thats our projection at this hour as polls close at 10 o'clock on the east coast. Bush wins:

George HW Bush Wins Reelection to Presidency of the United States of America

We are confident of that projection as we call the following states for the President:

George HW Bush Wins Idaho

George HW Bush Wins Utah

George HW Bush Wins Montana


That puts him at 270 electoral votes, which is enough to win.
Bush: 270        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

President Bush wins reelection tonight. Democrats will retain control of congress. Republicans pick up ten seats in the house and the senate majority will stay the same as before. Republicans pick up seats in North Carolina and Georgia, but democrats counter that by picking up seats in Wisconsin and California. President Bush wins again in a surprise tonight. The only question now is the margin of victory. We are coming back to election night 1992. Bush wins reelection carrying Dan Quayle through with him. We are back in a few moments.
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Care to explain what change caused Bush victory or it was just his magic stick?
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2011, 05:27:49 pm »
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Care to explain what change caused Bush victory or it was just his magic stick?

Somebody on the Clinton Campaign mispronounced George Bush's middle initials.  The person pronounced it as "Hoytch Dabya" when it was supposed to be pronounced "Aitch Double-You".  The mistake cost Clinton 5 points in the polls on Election Day.

Game Over.
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Welcome back to election night 1992 coverage. A few minutes ago we made a major national projection here as polls closed at 10 o'clock on the east coast. President Bush, thought to be in trouble tonight due to a poor economy among other things, has beaten back the challenge of Bill Clinton and won reelection tonight. Dan Quayle will return as vice president at Bush's side for another four years.

Lets go to Houston at a hotel where a "Bush/Quayle victory party" is going on. They were not sure if it was going to be a victory going into tonight, but it is according to our projections.

Yes, and we have gotten some information from the hotel suite where the Bush family has been watching the election returns. The President has always had a quiet confidence throughout this campaign, even when it got really tough as it did. His wife was a little more towards thinking that they were loosing. But, it turns into a victory tonight.

Well the first lady had good reason to think the way she did. The Bush/Quayle ticket trailed the Clinton/Gore ticket by seven percentage points going into tonight. Perot/Stockdale in a distant third place. But, they proved the polls wrong tonight.

Yes, they say this night couldn't have gone better for the President tonight. Everything really seemed to fall in line as the night went along. They don't really care about the margin, its just the fact that they have proved the polls and pundits wrong, republicans will control the White House for another four years.

Thanks, we will return when the President comes to speak and accept this victory. Should be an exciting night in Houston. It is an exciting night in Houston, but in Little Rock its a different story. Lets go there now. Governor Clinton felt confident going into tonight. They had so many things going their way. The debates went his way by wide margins, he was leading the republicans by almost thirty points leaving the democratic national convention this summer, even in the final days of the campaign, it just seemed that President Bush could not close the gap in the polls despite his best efforts. Is it a shock there tonight?

Yes, this crowd is just stunned and silent. Everyone here all day and into the early evening expected a big Clinton/Gore win tonight. They could smell victory in the air. They ignored some small Bush victories early in the evening as states they expected to loose, so it seemed like that was okay. But, as some swing states started to fall Bush's way, they got nervous. And when the president opened up a lead in the electoral college count, there began to be some doubt. And now, at least according to them, the unthinkable has happened.

There are going to have to be a lot of people wondering what happened...where the democrats went wrong. Everything seemed to be falling their way as was described earlier. But, this could be a big Bush win tonight.

They are stunned here tonight. This was not something they were prepared for.

Okay, we will be back shortly.


Well thats from the two headquarters. We can declare the state of Maine for President Bush.

George HW Bush Wins Maine
Bush: 274        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We can also declare the state of Nevada for the president.

George HW Bush Wins Nevada
Bush: 278        Clinton: 149        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

And our last call for a few minutes. Connecticut will also vote for President Bush tonight.

George HW Bush Wins Connecticut
Bush: 286        Clinton: 149       Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We will be back after this break.
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George HW Bush Wins Maine

In RL Bush came pathetic third in his almost-home state behind Clinton and Perot, and Perot is still in race... What the hell?
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It is the 11 o'clock hour on the east coast. We can project that Hawaii will go to Bill Clinton and North Dakota goes to Bush. All other states closing at this hour are too close to call.

Bill Clinton Wins Hawaii

George HW Bush Wins North Dakota

Bush: 289        Clinton: 153        Perot: 0        270 needed to win
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Delaware will also fall to President Bush.

George HW Bush Wins Delaware
Bush: 292        Clinton: 153        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We have another projection. Oregon goes to governor Clinton.

Bill Clinton Wins Oregon
Bush: 292        Clinton: 160        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We are told from the Clinton camp that the governor and senator Gore are waiting for polls to close in Alaska before come out and talk to their supporters.

Has governor Clinton called President Bush? Do we have any information about that?

We do not. Nothing further than that they are waiting for polls to close in Alaska, which they will at the top of the hour.


We can declare that Iowa will go to President Bush.

George HW Bush Wins Iowa
Bush: 299        Clinton: 160        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We are coming back at the top of the  hour.
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Delaware will also fall to President Bush.

George HW Bush Wins Delaware
Bush: 292        Clinton: 153        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We have another projection. Oregon goes to governor Clinton.

Bill Clinton Wins Oregon
Bush: 292        Clinton: 160        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

We are told from the Clinton camp that the governor and senator Gore are waiting for polls to close in Alaska before come out and talk to their supporters.

Has governor Clinton called President Bush? Do we have any information about that?

We do not. Nothing further than that they are waiting for polls to close in Alaska, which they will at the top of the hour.


We can declare that Iowa will go to President Bush.

George HW Bush Wins Iowa
Bush: 299        Clinton: 160        Perot: 0        270 needed to win

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We believe in you, we didn't just start fighting for you when this campaign began and we won't stop fighting for you when this campaign ends. Your cause will always be our cause and nothing makes Bill and I prouder than standing with you...In this campaign we fought hard, and we hoped the results would be different and I want to talk to the tens of millions of people who stood along side of us, who believed in us and stood with us. You can be disappointed, but you cannot walk away. This fight has just begun...

That was part of the speech by  senator Al Gore as he introduced Bill Clinton in Little Rock last night. The following was part of governor Clinton's concession speech.

Thank you all very much, thank you for being here. Well, I just got off the phone with President Bush. I congragulated him on his reelection to the presidency and wished him well. Al, Tipper, Hillary and I are so proud of you. You poured your hearts and souls into this campaign, and we will forever be grateful for the work that you did on our behalfs. There could not be any greater blessing. We will stand with you and fight for you...

President Bush spoke in Houston shortly after Clinton's concession speech.

America we are going to continue working for my plan for America renewal and for all of those hard working citizens over the next four years. I want to thank governor Clinton for his gracious call tonight and senator Gore and their families for the campaign they ran, truly a valant effort. And I want to thank all of you across the country who have put your faith in me again to finish a job over the next four years, thank you all very much. God Bless America.

President Bush won reelection by a wide margin in the electoral college vote and by a solid five percentage points in the popular vote tonight. Lets bring up that map to show you.



Bush: 356        Clinton: 182        Perot: 0        270 needed to win[/ce

Certainly a major Bush victory here at the end of the night. The state of California is basically the icing on the cake. Bush performed very well last night and was reelected when he was expected by most to loose.

I can't think of many people that thought Bush stood much of a chance.

He was behind in every poll. But, exit polls show that the economy came in a close second with character, family values led the pack in the area of issues voters cared most about.

President Bush reelected.What is the future of Bill Clinton?

He is going to have to decide for himself. Certainly this is not what he expected, its an unexpected turn for his own political career.

This has been election 1992. Now the question is how will the next two years of the Bush administration and what will come in the 1994 mid term elections.
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This isn't as crazy as it sounds.

With no Perot in the race, there's a decent chance Bush would have won re-election, although certainly not by this margin. It might have looked a lot like his son's re-election battle, only with some different battlegrounds due to Clinton's strength in the south.
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2011, 11:15:08 am »
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This isn't as crazy as it sounds.

With no Perot in the race, there's a decent chance Bush would have won re-election, although certainly not by this margin. It might have looked a lot like his son's re-election battle, only with some different battlegrounds due to Clinton's strength in the south.

He changed nothing. He said Perot was still in and that Clinton was polling exactly as he was in the OTL.
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2011, 11:16:37 am »
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George H. W. Bush   50.9% 286 EVs

William J. Clinton 48.2%  252 EVs


I'm pretty sure if the business cycle was a year or so different (there's more fatigue than any real urge of change), Bush didn't try to push Thomas through (Bush is still considered socially ambivalent and abortion and mysogny don't become big issues) and Perot didn't run (Moderate Republicans, Libertarians and the "Radical Middle" Perot voters could possible vote mostly for Bush) , this would be a pretty reasonable map.

In 1996, it would have been Dan Quayle and perhaps Steve Forbes up against Jerry Brown and Joe Biden.

The economy may have gotten its act together perhaps a year earler and 1994 would have just been another fatigue, "business as usual" election with the Democrats perhaps slightly gaining to where there were in 1992 OTL. Then again, the 1994 retirements and Casey v. Planned Parenthood may have changed things. However, I think without the need to placate the far-right,  I think that HW would have pushed through more moderate Republican justices in the mold of Souter or Stevens. If the far-right got angry, he could have simply stated the Ds had too many votes and could give a hole for Quayle to start his campaign early.

The butterfiles would have been that the Healthcare Fiasco would have never happened, 90s gun control and the FMLA would have never been signed and Clinton's tax hike would have never happened. OKC may have not happened either...but perhaps the shorter Republican business cycle finally started softening the economy going into 1996.

The election of 1996 would again be Quayle and perhaps Forbes campaigning on 16 years of strong Republican leadership and a renewing of the cultural conservatism that Bush H.W. sidelined while Brown and perhaps Biden campaigned on the fact that too many people have been left out of the rain and that the economy was softening. Perhaps they would have also attacked Quayle for being crazy and dumb and Forbes being not much better.

Wonder how that would have gone.
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