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Ghost_white
Junior Chimp
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« on: December 02, 2011, 12:33:31 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/military-detention-us-citizens_n_1124534.html?ref=politics

We seem 'safe' for now but the utter lack of discussion of this on forum baffles me.
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Ghost_white
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 02:32:01 PM »

Where can I find text of this?  They allude to clear violations of Posse Comitatus being enshrined but really don't mention specifics.  The military really shouldn't be given domestic power like this.  Use of state National Guards for show of force is one thing but they suggest much greater powers.


HuffPo has one draft and ACLU had a PDF linked for awhile. Also a bunch of right wing blogs like New American were circulating earlier drafts iirc.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2011, 07:29:36 PM »

This is so 2005. The ACLU forgot that most of the left wing no longer cares about war or Guantanemo or detention or anything like that since Obama.

http://conservativedailynews.com/2011/11/senator-paul-on-the-indefinite-military-detention-of-american-citizens/

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/9956-senate-bill-to-ok-indefinite-detention-of-us-citizens-without-charge-trial

http://www.southernavenger.com/

http://features.rr.com/article/0b0n0QIg5wanS?q=Tea+Party+movement

http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2011/12/s-1867-indefinite-detention-defense-bill-passes-senate/

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=373357

Look at all those whiny liberals on the internets.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2011, 09:05:35 PM »
« Edited: December 02, 2011, 09:11:56 PM by night society »

What's changed since Bush?
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2011, 09:11:39 PM »

This isn't a partisan or "left/right" issue, in case you totally missed my point. But to elaborate: It's not like the Patriot Act or Military Commissions Act or Guantanamo are gone (and yes, Obama claimed to oppose the last one but that was pretty quickly abandoned). They're still very much around. On the other hand, under Obama we've had serious attempts at clamping down on the internet and "extra judicial killings" including of US citizens. The US has never been as friendly towards civil rights as it likes to claim but it seems like a pretty obvious rapid downhill slope since 2001. And don't tell me we ended renditions because even middle of the road milquetoasts like Politifact will tell you that's not really true.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2011, 04:05:02 PM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 04:11:00 PM by night society »

People seem to be making a big deal of this on the internets and Facebook. Is there any thing actually to this or is it just the usual tin foil hat paranoia?

No. As with all legislation that supposedly spells the arrival of fascism in America, this won't have much real world impact.

I know you have a low opinion of me but I'm not one to post videos of PLASTIC FEMA COFFINS 111 or similar nonsense.. This has been verified to apply to US citizens by multiple legal scholars like Jon Hutson and has former officials (and current officials!) in the FBI, Pentagon and others that aren't human rights watch already criticizing it. That and well, the language in Section 1021 and 1022 if you take the time to look at it...

Last I heard, Obama said he was vetoing this, no?

Well predictably he didn't, but what he was posturing over had nothing to do with what people are worried about. He was the one who asked for them according to Levin.
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