France, alternate elections - requests

[Formerly Californian Tony]

Fun stuff indeed. Wouldn't Ford sweep France, though ? He's far closer to the standard French rightie than Reagan.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Fun stuff indeed. Wouldn't Ford sweep France, though ? He's far closer to the standard French rightie than Reagan.

Again, as I said, I'm kind of trying to create a map close to otl American results.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

1980 D


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1992 D

[Formerly Californian Tony]

Fun stuff indeed. Wouldn't Ford sweep France, though ? He's far closer to the standard French rightie than Reagan.

Again, as I said, I'm kind of trying to create a map close to otl American results.

Reagan seems to be winning this map, though...

[wormyguy]

No Jesse Jackson in 1984?

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Fun stuff indeed. Wouldn't Ford sweep France, though ? He's far closer to the standard French rightie than Reagan.

Again, as I said, I'm kind of trying to create a map close to otl American results.

Reagan seems to be winning this map, though...

Note the population of the places which Ford won.

No Jesse Jackson in 1984?

I've kind of wanted to simulate a straight Hart-Mondale race. He'll be on the 1988 map.

[wormyguy]

It would be interesting to see what Jackson's electorate would be, though.  Non-whites + hard-left might be strange bedfellows in France (my impression, which might be wrong, is that among the redder working-class elements in France there's a good deal of anti-immigration and quasi-racist sentiment).

[Formerly Californian Tony]

It would be interesting to see what Jackson's electorate would be, though.  Non-whites + hard-left might be strange bedfellows in France (my impression, which might be wrong, is that among the redder working-class elements in France there's a good deal of anti-immigration and quasi-racist sentiment).

The working class has been flirting with xenophobia and the far-right for decade (and now it's starting to take it to the next step). However, that's not the same as saying the hard-left is anti-immigrant. More like the hard-left doesn't really represent the working class.

[wormyguy]

It would be interesting to see what Jackson's electorate would be, though.  Non-whites + hard-left might be strange bedfellows in France (my impression, which might be wrong, is that among the redder working-class elements in France there's a good deal of anti-immigration and quasi-racist sentiment).

The working class has been flirting with xenophobia and the far-right for decade (and now it's starting to take it to the next step). However, that's not the same as saying the hard-left is anti-immigrant. More like the hard-left doesn't really represent the working class.

Well 1984 was still prior to working-class 'disaffecteds' going from commies to FN, right?

[Vazdul (Formerly Chairman of the Communist Party of Ontario)]

I'd like to see the 1972 Democrats.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

It would be interesting to see what Jackson's electorate would be, though.  Non-whites + hard-left might be strange bedfellows in France (my impression, which might be wrong, is that among the redder working-class elements in France there's a good deal of anti-immigration and quasi-racist sentiment).

The working class has been flirting with xenophobia and the far-right for decade (and now it's starting to take it to the next step). However, that's not the same as saying the hard-left is anti-immigrant. More like the hard-left doesn't really represent the working class.

What do we mean by 'hard-left'? The PCF, the Trots, the left-wing of the PS? or the American hard-left which in France would be moderate PS lefties?

In terms of party platforms, all of them are pretty pro-immigrant nowadays, although for sure the PCF of the 1970s flirted with borderline xenophobia in some places. In terms of electorate, it is hard to quantify, but the PCF electorate certainly has xenophobic reflexes in some cases.

At any rate, the importance of ex-PCF voters voting FN is way overplayed. But I can only blame the useless piss stain journalists who have bought into the theory that the FN's voters are all ex-commies. But, yes, 1984's FN electorate was very much right-wing and way prior to the emergence of gaucho-lepenisme. I wrote a blog post on that.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Here's 1972 D



McGovern realistically wouldn't do anywhere as well, but I've needed to be kind so that he wins the primaries. Muskie's support was hard to lay down, I've assumed Catholic WWC areas.

And Corsica is just wrong.

[wormyguy]

I'd think the best way to represent Corsica would be to have it always be won by "favorite son" candidates when applicable, so Wilbur Mills in '72.

What do we mean by 'hard-left'? The PCF, the Trots, the left-wing of the PS? or the American hard-left which in France would be moderate PS lefties?

It'd be difficult to say since America is a two-party system and France is a multi-party system, so "all of them."  The American (white) "hard-left" (unions, environmentalists, feminists etc.) all lined up behind Mondale, so much so that he was quite effectively attacked (with justification) by both Hart and Reagan as having a campaign totally run by special interests.  The white people who supported Jackson, especially after the "Hymietown" incident, were generally of the Marxist variety.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Here's 1988



Dick Gephardt not included.

[Simfan34]

Monnerville vs. Duclos 1969?

[Formerly Californian Tony]

Very nice maps.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Here's 2008 D



John Edwards etc not taken into account. Again, this is accounting for a closed primary limited to left-leaning voters and MoDem voters. Because, yeah, the 06 and 83 wouldn't vote for a brown man in a general election.

I might make a constituency map of this race, it's pretty interesting.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Monnerville vs. Duclos 1969?

I think we can all agree that if such a scenario had come to pass, Monnerville would have defeated Duclos in a landslide, despite fairly awful turnout. Duclos might have won Seine-Saint-Denis.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

No comments? I spent hours on that map, actually.

[Formerly Californian Tony]

I find it very interesting, but I don't have any particular comment.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

Do you want a constituency map of the contest? I think it could further show interesting things in departments which are kinda iffy (44, 83, 64) and contrasts between regions of large departments (13, 59, 33, 34).

[Formerly Californian Tony]

Do you want a constituency map of the contest? I think it could further show interesting things in departments which are kinda iffy (44, 83, 64) and contrasts between regions of large departments (13, 59, 33, 34).

I'd be pleased to see it, yes.

[pillage the village, trash the scene]

Republican 2008.

[Formerly Californian Tony]

Republican 2008.

I'll bore you a bit with the 2008 GOP primaries before publishing 2008 Dem primaries.



Rudy Giuliani is not taken into account.

A note on Corsica: I've just assumed they'd vote for the establishment candidate. It's too hard otherwise.

[PASOK Leader Hashemite]

The 2008 D map will need updating... going con-by-con makes me realize certain things. Like Finistere would be for Hillary.