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« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2011, 12:35:04 pm »
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« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2011, 01:47:19 pm »
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For the record, Marokai in no way directly influenced me to change my vote. I changed my vote because of the section restricting membership of a caucus to members of a single party.

That isn't really a change.

It depends on how it's interpreted. The current bill assumes official membership is restricted to one party, but this could be interpreted as to outlaw even some form of honorary membership by other citizens. For example, the Right to Life Caucus has a bylaws provision that affords the same rights within the caucus of all those who wish to join regardless of whether or not they can be officially registered by the government. With the right lawsuit, that could be illegal under this bill.
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« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2011, 02:07:20 pm »
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You all interpreted it as intra-party caucuses when you voted for it before. It doesn't really make sense to change.
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« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2011, 02:16:33 pm »
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You all interpreted it as intra-party caucuses when you voted for it before. It doesn't really make sense to change.

There's a difference between 'interpreting' it to mean intra-party caucuses (which is the clear intent of the first bill) and explicitly banning outsiders from joining. The federal government would simply give no recognition to other citizens who wish to join under the former while non-party members joining would be explicitly illegal under the latter (unless "membership" is intepreted to mean membership as recognized by the government---in which case we'll likely need a court ruling at some point in the future).
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« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2011, 02:20:19 pm »
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"Honorary" members certainly won't get any recognition from the government. But they don't under the current version either. I don't believe this version would "ban" a caucus deciding to allow them anymore than the previous one would.
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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2011, 02:35:38 pm »
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"Honorary" members certainly won't get any recognition from the government. But they don't under the current version either. I don't believe this version would "ban" a caucus deciding to allow them anymore than the previous one would.

I wouldn't interpret it that way either, but I could see how someone would. I don't want (not that it matters unless this bill stays here for three more weeks Tongue) a bill to pass that includes a point that could reasonably be interpreted to mean that, especially when it could say something like:

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4. Only members from one party will be recognized by the federal government.

that would effectively mean the same thing as what you are arguing for but cannot be intepreted to mean something else.
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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2011, 03:03:59 pm »
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« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2011, 05:00:54 pm »
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Damn, I mistaken votes.

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« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2011, 06:04:51 pm »
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Damn, I mistaken votes.

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WHO INFLUENCED YOU!!

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« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2011, 06:09:54 pm »
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« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2011, 06:11:22 pm »
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The current tally is 6-2. This has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2011, 05:22:37 pm »
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With 6 ayes and 2 nays, this bill has passed and is now presented to the President for his signature or veto.
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« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2011, 11:20:50 pm »
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x Snowguy716

I'm glad this passed.  I think laws should be precise in their intent in order to prevent broad interpretations that lead to negative, unintended consequences.
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