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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2015, 06:08:11 pm »
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Considering part of their (former) base of voters were university students, changing their name might actually work and fool them.

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2015, 08:05:12 pm »
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Telegraph is reporting that Tim Farron wants to change the party's name to "the Liberals".

Why not change it to "the Liberal Party", like old?
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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2015, 08:08:27 pm »
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Telegraph is reporting that Tim Farron wants to change the party's name to "the Liberals".

Why not change it to "the Liberal Party", like old?

Because the old Liberal Party still exists.
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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2015, 12:57:20 am »
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Lost Deposit Party might be the best option. It's reflective of who they are and they keep their initials.
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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2015, 01:08:22 am »
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Telegraph is reporting that Tim Farron wants to change the party's name to "the Liberals".

Why not change it to "the Liberal Party", like old?

Because the old Liberal Party still exists.
But wouldn't the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998 prohibit "The Liberals" as well?
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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2015, 02:41:01 am »
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Telegraph is reporting that Tim Farron wants to change the party's name to "the Liberals".

Why not change it to "the Liberal Party", like old?

Because the old Liberal Party still exists.
But wouldn't the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998 prohibit "The Liberals" as well?

Indeed, I can't see it being accepted, unless the 1989 Liberal Party either agrees to it (unlikely) or folds.  I get the impression that they're gradually fading; they only had four candidates this year, and only Steve Radford held his deposit (and that was closer than it's been in the past), but they still have a handful of councillors scattered around.
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2015, 03:03:29 am »
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Maybe they should drop the 'Liberal' and become 'The Democrats'. Would allow them to reinvent themselves in more ways.
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2015, 03:25:55 am »
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Maybe they should drop the 'Liberal' and become 'The Democrats'. Would allow them to reinvent themselves in more ways.

Let's hope it's not the "New Democrats", we don't want to be associated with them here in Canada.
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2015, 04:11:46 am »
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The Centre Party? Although many parties on the continent have that name and are in fact fairly right-wing...oh wait.
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2015, 04:17:37 am »
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Telegraph is reporting that Tim Farron wants to change the party's name to "the Liberals".

Why not change it to "the Liberal Party", like old?

Because the old Liberal Party still exists.

Does it really - aren't the Liberal Democrats considered the de jure successor to the old Liberal Party, even if there's a tiny splinter group calling itself by the same name?
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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2015, 05:55:13 am »
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Telegraph is reporting that Tim Farron wants to change the party's name to "the Liberals".

Why not change it to "the Liberal Party", like old?

Because the old Liberal Party still exists.

Does it really - aren't the Liberal Democrats considered the de jure successor to the old Liberal Party, even if there's a tiny splinter group calling itself by the same name?

The Liberal Democrats are a merger between the SDP and the Liberal Party. Both the SDP and the Liberal Party still exist 'in continuity.'
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2015, 05:55:55 am »
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Telegraph is reporting that Tim Farron wants to change the party's name to "the Liberals".

Why not change it to "the Liberal Party", like old?

Because the old Liberal Party still exists.

Does it really - aren't the Liberal Democrats considered the de jure successor to the old Liberal Party, even if there's a tiny splinter group calling itself by the same name?

That is correct -- the old Liberal Party voted to merge with the SDP, and the 1989 Liberal Party was formed by members who rejected the merger -- but the current legislation on registration of parties did not exist in 1988/89, and as the splinter group is registered under the name "The Liberal Party" I don't see how the Lib Dems can formally adopt that name (or "The Liberals", which would be too similar).
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2015, 10:35:21 am »
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Maybe they should drop the 'Liberal' and become 'The Democrats'. Would allow them to reinvent themselves in more ways.
So they'd be "Literal Democrats"?
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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2015, 10:44:50 am »
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If they drop the Liberal name then they might as well fold. Most of the votes they actually held onto were for that name.
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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2015, 03:36:06 pm »
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Maybe they should drop the 'Liberal' and become 'The Democrats'. Would allow them to reinvent themselves in more ways.
So they'd be "Literal Democrats"?

When the Liberal Party and the SDP merged they were officially the Social and Liberal Democrats (the acronym for Liberal and Social Democrats being considered unwise). They originally tried using the Democrats as a short name. It was tried out in a by-election but the electorate did not understand who they were. The short name Liberal Democrats was then adopted and eventually became the official name of the party.

For better or for ill liberal has been a word used to describe the party and its predecessors for almost two hundred years. To abandon the word probably would kill the party.
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2015, 06:20:09 pm »
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Yes. The Liberal name is about the only asset they have left now.
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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2015, 06:06:11 am »
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Farron is in, with Mulholland as campaign manager.  There's talk of "rebranding", but not of actually changing the name (probably because, as discussed above, the obvious change isn't possible):
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/tim-farron-to-stand-as-leader-of-the-liberal-democrats
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« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2015, 12:38:59 pm »
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Theoretically not a bad idea (the 'LibDem' label is clearly tainted), but there is the small matter of the continuity Liberal Party.

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« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2015, 12:47:46 pm »
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Lembit Opik said today on the Daily Politics that the new leader will need to have a two general election strategy.

Get back into the teens of MP's next time and then up into the 20 and 30's the election after. That's probably their only realistic way forward after the wreckage of last Thursday.
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« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2015, 06:15:59 pm »
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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2015, 07:47:58 pm »
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Well, they could always form a Lib-Green alliance and be "beards and sandals" all over again ;-)
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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2015, 09:13:27 am »
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Farron is in, with Mulholland as campaign manager.  There's talk of "rebranding", but not of actually changing the name (probably because, as discussed above, the obvious change isn't possible):
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/tim-farron-to-stand-as-leader-of-the-liberal-democrats
As evidenced by the current fate of the FDP in Germany, centre capital-L Liberal parties tend to survive, even without renaming. A new logo, ad-like posters, a pair of legs, and you're back on track !
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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2015, 10:00:47 am »
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As one of the people who will be able to vote in this election, my main concern is more grassroots:

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1)   I live in a village between the two main towns in this constituency and as far as I can tell I am the only Liberal Democrat member / campaigner in this village. In the last two days of the campaign I was asked to deliver to the entire village (a task that was made impossible not only by sheer distance involved, but also the deliveries were not in the correct order). Do you believe that where there are limited campaigners in a community, as many members of the constituency who live near to areas with limited campaigners should be asked to help out (even if it means that towns are left undelivered?)

But so far, neither candidate has answered that question.
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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2015, 10:59:30 am »
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Maybe they should drop the 'Liberal' and become 'The Democrats'. Would allow them to reinvent themselves in more ways.
So they'd be "Literal Democrats"?
That name's taken Wink - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon_and_East_Plymouth_(European_Parliament_constituency)
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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2015, 06:17:37 am »
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Sad news today about the death of Charles Kennedy at the age of 55.

The Liberal Democrats would almost certainly be in a much better condition today had his advice about the coalition agreement in 2010 been followed.

Chat show Charlie will be missed.
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