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« Reply #250 on: April 12, 2012, 08:13:52 PM »

http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?act=view3&dsp=template&hl=e&pagetype=watch&watchID=1e


Redford has been on the defensive throughout. Smith/Sherman/Mason are attacking her, not each other.
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« Reply #251 on: April 12, 2012, 08:17:23 PM »
« Edited: April 12, 2012, 08:22:16 PM by seatown »

http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?act=view3&dsp=template&hl=e&pagetype=watch&watchID=1e


Redford has been on the defensive throughout. Smith/Sherman/Mason are attacking her, not each other.
Shouldn't it be more important for the left-wingers to attack each other so that they can consolidate the left-wing vote and hope for a minority conservative government where they can influence the legislation? Or would that only work for one term and would to WRP sweep next round since most Albertans probably hate both liberals and NDP.
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« Reply #252 on: April 12, 2012, 08:24:19 PM »

My impressions: Redford sounds "smarter", but Smith sounds more personable. Brian Mason sounds solid, but the Raj guy sounds completely out of his depth.
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« Reply #253 on: April 12, 2012, 08:25:37 PM »

http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?act=view3&dsp=template&hl=e&pagetype=watch&watchID=1e


Redford has been on the defensive throughout. Smith/Sherman/Mason are attacking her, not each other.
Shouldn't it be more important for the left-wingers to attack each other so that they can consolidate the left-wing vote and hope for a minority conservative government? Or would that only work for one term and would to WRP sweep next round since most Albertans probably hate both liberals and NDP.

See DL's post from earlier, he puts it better than I could.
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« Reply #254 on: April 12, 2012, 08:26:13 PM »

My impressions: Redford sounds "smarter", but Smith sounds more personable. Brian Mason sounds solid, but the Raj guy sounds completely out of his depth.
Yea I like how Mason decided to attack Raj on how his plan requires him to get elected 3 times in Alberta(lol). Also interesting how Canadians try to talk over each other without raising their voice(unlike US debates where someone tries to talk over the other person they always raise their voice).
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« Reply #255 on: April 12, 2012, 08:28:00 PM »

My impressions: Redford sounds "smarter", but Smith sounds more personable. Brian Mason sounds solid, but the Raj guy sounds completely out of his depth.

He talked about tax increases for 45 minutes, but since he's hit his polling floor it probably won't do much damage.
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« Reply #256 on: April 12, 2012, 08:28:19 PM »

http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?act=view3&dsp=template&hl=e&pagetype=watch&watchID=1e


Redford has been on the defensive throughout. Smith/Sherman/Mason are attacking her, not each other.
So you are saying both NDP and Liberals have 8-12% floor and therefore have better chance of swinging Edmonton seats to them by attacking PC's instead of each other?
Shouldn't it be more important for the left-wingers to attack each other so that they can consolidate the left-wing vote and hope for a minority conservative government? Or would that only work for one term and would to WRP sweep next round since most Albertans probably hate both liberals and NDP.

See DL's post from earlier, he puts it better than I could.
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« Reply #257 on: April 12, 2012, 08:39:18 PM »

I sort of feel bad for Brian Mason. He sounds like he would be an effective politician, but his party is so far outside the Alberta mainstream that he's not going to get anywhere.
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« Reply #258 on: April 12, 2012, 08:46:16 PM »

Danielle Smith's certainly got that creepy Sarah Palin thing about her.

I'd hate to be an Albertan.
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« Reply #259 on: April 12, 2012, 08:47:53 PM »

I like Mason as well. The one who I really can't stand is Sherman... ugh. Redford's just a weasel who does a bad job of it.
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« Reply #260 on: April 12, 2012, 08:49:41 PM »

Danielle Smith's certainly got that creepy Sarah Palin thing about her.

I'd hate to be an Albertan.

Maybe because her voice sounds a bit like Fey's Palin impersonation...
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« Reply #261 on: April 12, 2012, 08:51:31 PM »

I think it says something that, in Ontario, people I know almost seem more interested in the Alberta election than they were in the Ontario election...
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« Reply #262 on: April 12, 2012, 08:52:59 PM »

Will this debate change the polls? No. Otherwise I think we can all agree that Sherman had the worst performance.
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« Reply #263 on: April 12, 2012, 09:02:53 PM »

Will this debate change the polls? No. Otherwise I think we can all agree that Sherman had the worst performance.

Yeah, he was pretty terrible. The only thing I remember him doing is talking about raising taxes, and making wild baseless accusations using overblown rhetoric.
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« Reply #264 on: April 12, 2012, 09:04:48 PM »

Redford needed a knockout blow- something to fix her credibility gap or Palinize Smith. She didn't get it.
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« Reply #265 on: April 12, 2012, 09:21:15 PM »

Danielle Smith's certainly got that creepy Sarah Palin thing about her.

I'd hate to be an Albertan.

Maybe because her voice sounds a bit like Fey's Palin impersonation...

I think she's really condescending.
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« Reply #266 on: April 12, 2012, 09:57:25 PM »

Sherman would've been better if he didn't pause so much. He ran out of time on several caissons because he spent too much time pausing. I think this debate will further help the Liberals tank in this election, and it might boost the NDP a bit. Mason did a solid job, as did the two ladies. Very entertaining debate. I'm glad I watched it, and not the end of that disastrous hockey game.
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« Reply #267 on: April 12, 2012, 10:25:01 PM »

oh btw, I heard on CBC that Smith is pro-choice and pro gay marriage, so... Smiley
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« Reply #268 on: April 12, 2012, 10:26:01 PM »

oh btw, I heard on CBC that Smith is pro-choice and pro gay marriage, so... Smiley

She's also apparently been attacked by the PCs for advocating legalized prostitution.
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« Reply #269 on: April 12, 2012, 10:27:22 PM »

oh btw, I heard on CBC that Smith is pro-choice and pro gay marriage, so... Smiley

She's also apparently been attacked by the PCs for advocating legalized prostitution.

We might just have an actual libertarian-ish person in charge of part of North America in a few weeks. Be interesting to see how things pan out.
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« Reply #270 on: April 12, 2012, 10:31:51 PM »

Libertarianish, yes. But, he party wont be that Libertarian I don't think.

BTW, another poll (Corporate Research)

WRP 43 (-3) (jeepers, every polling firm has them at that number!)
PC 34 (+6)
NDP 10 (n/c)
Lib 10 (-2)
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« Reply #271 on: April 13, 2012, 12:06:55 AM »

What kind of name is Raj Sherman, anyway?
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« Reply #272 on: April 13, 2012, 12:12:58 AM »

What kind of name is Raj Sherman, anyway?

Lots of South Asians with English surnames. Think of Russell Peters.
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« Reply #273 on: April 13, 2012, 09:08:21 AM »

What kind of name is Raj Sherman, anyway?

Lots of South Asians with English surnames. Think of Russell Peters.

Remember... we were all english colonies at once point Smiley some more recent then others, some still can't shake it Smiley

So, some polling after the debate:
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5587

Not a good night for Redford (-15 on the impressions scale)... but looking good for Smith (+ 10)and Mason (+27!)... i can see Liberals starting to run from Sherman now espcially after reading the observations here Tongue
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« Reply #274 on: April 13, 2012, 09:30:00 AM »

LOL at the 11% who thought Sherman was the best speaker.

"Looked and sounded like a Premier" was an interesting question. Especially considering you have two women, and Indian and well, the NDP guy. Not traditional Premier qualities.
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