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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2011, 03:55:17 pm »
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West Virginia would have been an NDP, not Liberal stronghold.

Maybe, but look at Cape Breton, a similar area in Canada. It's very Liberal, even to this day.

Cape Breton has Catholics, WV doesn't.
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2011, 04:02:13 pm »
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West Virginia would have been an NDP, not Liberal stronghold.

Maybe, but look at Cape Breton, a similar area in Canada. It's very Liberal, even to this day.

Cape Breton has Catholics, WV doesn't.

Ok, well howabout Saskatchewan to compare to? NDP hasn't won there since 1988, and WV is too economically left win to vote for the Tories.

Here's in 1963

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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2011, 04:13:11 pm »
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2011, 04:18:15 pm »
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1958 with Dief the Chief cruising to a landslide


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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2011, 04:23:47 pm »
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Where does this idea that there's only Cape Breton to compare to come from? Plenty of mining areas vote NDP. That's what a lot of the NDP tradition in Northern Ontario (for example) is based on. Though more questionable is DC as a longterm NDP stronghold, actually. I don't see that.
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2011, 04:36:06 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2011, 04:38:18 pm »
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Where does this idea that there's only Cape Breton to compare to come from? Plenty of mining areas vote NDP. That's what a lot of the NDP tradition in Northern Ontario (for example) is based on. Though more questionable is DC as a longterm NDP stronghold, actually. I don't see that.

DC voting NDP would probably need to mean that blacks vote solidly NDP, which I also don't really see. Blacks in Canada usually vote Liberal pretty solidly.
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2011, 04:48:39 pm »
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Demographic support is like this in my alternate reality:

Liberal base support:
-northeastern Boshwash whites (most bobo areas like the NDP though)
-minorities (although the NDP in 2011 performed very well among latinos)
-all "gentiles" in Mormonland

NDP base support:
-working class in the rust belt, all progressive-types in the midwest and plains, farmers in the midwest and plains still have a NDP tradition dating to the early 1900s.
-"bobos", although they are weak supporters
-latino emigrants are an emerging support group

Torie base support:
-southern whites (although appalachian whites are split between them and the grits)
-rural
-an emerging support group are exurban/outer-ring suburban whites in the northwest and west
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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2011, 04:54:34 pm »
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DC would be a swing city. Blacks in Canada come in a number of categories. Caribbean Blacks vote Liberal big time, but there aren't that many in the US anyways. Cities like Windsor, ON have a large African American population, and they vote NDP. So, I'm thinking that American Blacks would be more likely to vote NDP. Especially since they're not immigrants. Let's look at US history... in the 1960s, the civil rights movement was facilitated through the Liberal side of the Democratic Party. If the NDP were a strong party, the civil rights movement would have been facilitated through them. Therefore, I think African Americans would support the NDP. Especially since the Liberals would have waffled through the civil rights era trying to keep on the side of southern whites.
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2011, 04:55:20 pm »
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By the way, 1957:

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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2011, 04:59:12 pm »
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note: I'm not using the south as an analog to Quebec so Liberals (the party of the strange coalition of WASPs and ethnic whites) passed legislation on civil rights with the support of NDP (which was born out of the Populist/Grange movement and later found union support so it has little connection to the civil rights movement and was more neutral).
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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2011, 05:50:50 pm »
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1993 :



Liberal : 41.2%
Reform : 18.7%
PC : 16%
Southern Block : 13.5%
NDP : 6.9%


2006 :



Conservative : 36.3%
Liberal : 30.2%
NDP : 17.5%
Southern Block : 10.5%


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Conservative : 39.6%
NDP : 30.6%
Liberal : 18.9%
Southern Block : 6%
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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2011, 05:55:53 pm »
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I think it's best to do these things based on Canada outside Quebec. Quebec is so... unique it would hardly carry over to the US or most other places except like Spain or maybe Italy.

Also, the PCs in the 1990s would never carry UT, ID, OK, ID or IN.
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2011, 08:26:00 pm »
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1953

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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2011, 08:30:34 pm »
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1949

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1945

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And 1854 of course

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1867, with anti-confed
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« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2011, 06:42:42 am »
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2011 SE (Seat Equalized)




SE = Share of Electoral-Vote is designed to be as close to the share of Commons seats as possible. Note that I allow myself a 30EV variance in order to deal with the winner-take-all situation, and, I allow myself a variance of up to 100EV when it comes to "Quebec Unique Parties" like the Bloc. Also note that Green is NDP unless otherwise noted.


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« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2011, 06:50:05 am »
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1962 :



PC : 37.2%
Liberal : 37.0%
NDP : 13.6%
SoCred : 11.6%


1968 :



Liberal : 45.4%
PC : 31.4%
NDP : 17.0%
Creditist Rally : 4.4%


1984 :



PC : 50%
Liberal : 28%
NDP : 18.8%
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« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2011, 11:45:19 am »
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1984 would be a landslide- the Tories would win everything except DC. What was true in the US (save MN) was true in Canada, where Mulroney won every province and Terr.
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