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Smid
Junior Chimp
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« on: December 19, 2011, 09:02:34 PM »

So will the South, with its insistence on states' rights, have a separatist party like Quebec, or more "the South wants in", like Reform out West?
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 02:31:22 AM »

So will the South, with its insistence on states' rights, have a separatist party like Quebec, or more "the South wants in", like Reform out West?

The latter, I would say. There's no place in America as different as Quebec, and the South's grievances have a lot in common with Western Canada's, although the Western United States is that way as well. I think you would see Texas as the heart of the Reform Party base, being both Southern and Western. Dallas would be similar to Calgary in terms of importance to the conservative movement.

I can see Texas, with oil and cattle, as being similar to Alberta, although the Hispanic border area is probably unparalleled in Canadian politics?
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 07:52:19 PM »
« Edited: January 05, 2012, 11:34:18 PM by Smid »

Put together the ones people have already completed, onto a single map. I'm not entirely satisfied with my efforts in Massachusetts, but thought I'd upload now anyway, since the thread seems to have slowed down a little and perhaps this will prompt a few more states. I've started on a bit of a Boston inset but not rushing it, and it will mainly just show the dark blue riding (in the original uploaded map) with a small amount of area surrounding. Bigger version in the gallery, and I intend on adding states as you guys complete them (assuming there are no objections, either to me doing this, nor to any state that gets completed by different posters... we should probably have something resembling consensus on riding boundaries before I go editing the map).

Ridings of the US Parliament




Edit to add in DC, since it receives just a single riding within its established boundaries.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 12:55:19 AM »
« Edited: January 05, 2012, 12:59:01 AM by Smid »

If it were at all possible, I wouldn't split Pocatello and Idaho Falls; an east-west split would make most sense, given religious demographics.

I know nothing about intra-state demographics of, well, pretty much any part of the US, so I'm not trying to sound obnoxious here (and also a reason why I'm not drawing any boundaries myself). I think Idaho currently has two Congressional Districts arranged east-west, though, doesn't it? Is this the reason?

Incidentally, Earl, I like your style of uploading the maps, with the clear markings of the counties, it makes it far easier when I'm trying to mark them on the map I've been using.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 06:01:22 PM »
« Edited: January 06, 2012, 02:45:17 AM by Smid »

Updated to include Earl's map of Nebraska.

I'll wait a few hours longer, to allow for comment on Earl's second Idaho, West Virginia, and Teddy's Connecticut. Assuming no further discussion on those states, I'll update the map later today to incorporate those boundaries. As I said yesterday, I don't know much about intra-state demographics in the US, but I think that map of WV looks really good.

Ridings of the US Parliament




States completed (ridings): 18 (59)

Alaska (2)
Connecticut (6)
Delaware (2)
DC (1)
Hawaii (2)
Maine (2)
Massachusetts (11)
Missouri (9)
Montana (2)
Nebraska (3)
New Hampshire (2)
North Dakota (2)
Rhode Island (2)
South Dakota (2)
Utah (3)
Vermont (2)
West Virginia (4)
Wyoming (2)


Pending (ridings): 5 (47)
Idaho (2)
New Mexico (3)
Nevada (3)
Kansas (5)
New York (34)


Remaining States (ridings): 28 (371)
Arkansas (4)
Mississippi (5)
Oregon (5)
Iowa (6)
Oklahoma (6)
South Carolina (6)
Alabama (7)
Colorado (7)
Kentucky (7)
Louisiana (8)
Maryland (8)
Minnesota (8)
Arizona (9)
Tennessee (9)
Washington (9)
Wisconsin (9)
Indiana (10)
Virginia (11)
Georgia (13)
North Carolina (13)
New Jersey (14)
Michigan (18)
Ohio (21)
Illinois (22)
Pennsylvania (23)
Florida (26)
Texas (35)
California (52)
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 06:39:32 PM »

I'll update the map after the weekend, keep 'em coming!
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2012, 07:36:08 PM »

Ridings of the US Parliament




States completed (ridings): 25 (88)

Alaska (2)
Arkansas (4)
Connecticut (6)
Delaware (2)
DC (1)
Hawaii (2)
Idaho (2)
Iowa (6)
Kansas (5)
Maine (2)
Massachusetts (11)
Missouri (9)
Montana (2)
Nebraska (3)
Nevada (3)
New Hampshire (2)
New Mexico (3)
North Dakota (2)
Oklahoma (6)
Rhode Island (2)
South Dakota (2)
Utah (3)
Vermont (2)
West Virginia (4)
Wyoming (2)


Work in Progress (ridings): 1 (34)
New York (34)


Pending (ridings): 3 (17)
Mississippi (5)
Oregon (5)
Alabama (7)


Remaining States (ridings): 22 (338)
South Carolina (6)
Alabama (7)
Colorado (7)
Kentucky (7)
Louisiana (8)
Maryland (8)
Minnesota (8)
Arizona (9)
Tennessee (9)
Washington (9)
Wisconsin (9)
Indiana (10)
Virginia (11)
Georgia (13)
North Carolina (13)
New Jersey (14)
Michigan (18)
Ohio (21)
Illinois (22)
Pennsylvania (23)
Florida (26)
Texas (35)
California (52)
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,151
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 07:03:33 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2012, 05:18:33 PM by Smid »

Ridings of the US Parliament




States completed (ridings): 28 (107)

Alabama (7)
Alaska (2)
Arkansas (4)
Connecticut (6)
Delaware (2)
DC (1)
Hawaii (2)
Idaho (2)
Iowa (6)
Kansas (5)
Maine (2)
Massachusetts (11)
Missouri (9)
Mississippi (5)
Montana (2)
Nebraska (3)
Nevada (3)
New Hampshire (2)
New Mexico (3)
North Dakota (2)
Oklahoma (6)
Oregon (5)
Rhode Island (2)
South Dakota (2)
Utah (3)
Vermont (2)
West Virginia (4)
Wyoming (2)


Work in Progress (ridings): 1 (34)
New York (34)


Pending (ridings): 3 (29)
Colorado (7)
Arizona (9)
Georgia (13)

Remaining States (ridings): 19 (308)
South Carolina (6)
Kentucky (7)
Louisiana (8)
Maryland (8)
Minnesota (8)
Arizona (9)
Tennessee (9)
Washington (9)
Wisconsin (9)
Indiana (10)
Virginia (11)
North Carolina (13)
New Jersey (14)
Michigan (18)
Ohio (21)
Illinois (22)
Pennsylvania (23)
Florida (26)
Texas (35)
California (52)
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2012, 06:03:54 PM »

Staten Island certainly ought to be its own district; its population is 80% of ideal, but logical boundaries are more important than exact equality.

A quick question... the bit of the Staten Island riding not on Staten Island, and determined to be excised from the riding... which riding is it joining instead?
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 06:55:07 PM »

Yes, take Labrador for example. I thought the decision had been resolved that Staten Island would be its own riding that would exist solely of the island itself, and I have no qualms with that. I'm just asking where the surplus is going for the purposes of the NYC inset.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 08:13:24 PM »

Ridings of the US Parliament




States completed (ridings): 31 (142)

Alabama (7)
Alaska (2)
Arizona (9)
Arkansas (4)
Colorado (7)
Connecticut (6)
Delaware (2)
DC (1)
Georgia (13)
Hawaii (2)
Idaho (2)
Iowa (6)
Kansas (5)
Maine (2)
Massachusetts (11)
Minnesota (8)
Missouri (9)
Mississippi (5)
Montana (2)
Nebraska (3)
Nevada (3)
New Hampshire (2)
New Mexico (3)
North Dakota (2)
Oklahoma (6)
Oregon (5)
Rhode Island (2)
South Dakota (2)
Utah (3)
Vermont (2)
West Virginia (4)
Wyoming (2)


Work in Progress (ridings): 1 (34)
New York (34)


Pending (ridings): 1 (7)
Kentucky (7)


Remaining States (ridings): 18 (294)
South Carolina (6)
Louisiana (8)
Maryland (8)
Arizona (9)
Tennessee (9)
Washington (9)
Wisconsin (9)
Indiana (10)
Virginia (11)
North Carolina (13)
New Jersey (14)
Michigan (18)
Ohio (21)
Illinois (22)
Pennsylvania (23)
Florida (26)
Texas (35)
California (52)
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,151
Australia


« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2012, 09:08:04 PM »


Cheers!

I've been building the NYC inset from this map in the gallery, as discussed in this thread.

Here's what I've got so far... still quite a way's to go. I'll resize it before adding to the full US map (hence the varying colours in the ridings completed thus far... after shrinking, the colours will make it clearer where the riding boundaries are, so I can re-add the borders). It may not be entirely perfect, but I think it's reasonable and, well, given the whole exercise is really for fun's sake, precision is probably not as important as in some of the other maps we've done of actual ridings that actually exist.

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 04:31:21 AM »

California should be up once I actually find time to sit down and screencap it all.

Awesome! Obviously I need to redo Georgia, but what other states (or are we using the more Canadian "provinces"?) are good to go?
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2012, 11:20:20 PM »
« Edited: April 07, 2012, 11:27:09 PM by Smid »

Excellent and thoughtful analysis and welcome to the Forum, King of Kensington! I hope you wander a few boards lower to the International Elections board and further down to the International General Discussion board, too.

The Hispanic community can be somewhat socially conservative. Do you think there is the possibility of them switching from Liberal to Conservative in 2011, like the Jewish community? Of course, that probably had more to do with foreign policy than social policy, but I'm sure you understand my query.

EDIT: I see you've already been around a while and particularly in the International Elections board. I hope you become more active because you seem to be quite insightful.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 12:30:37 AM »

That makes sense - that it may depend on the class structure within the Hispanic community, I guess the difference between Republican and Conservative immigration policy (and it would be difficult to tell how that might shape up with the Mexican border, rather than the US border, to the south).

You're right, of course, about the substantial difference between the Bible belt and the Torah belt and the way the two different communities respond to the same issues.
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