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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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« on: December 16, 2011, 05:50:50 PM »

1993 :



Liberal : 41.2%
Reform : 18.7%
PC : 16%
Southern Block : 13.5%
NDP : 6.9%


2006 :



Conservative : 36.3%
Liberal : 30.2%
NDP : 17.5%
Southern Block : 10.5%


2011 :



Conservative : 39.6%
NDP : 30.6%
Liberal : 18.9%
Southern Block : 6%
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 06:50:05 AM »

1962 :



PC : 37.2%
Liberal : 37.0%
NDP : 13.6%
SoCred : 11.6%


1968 :



Liberal : 45.4%
PC : 31.4%
NDP : 17.0%
Creditist Rally : 4.4%


1984 :



PC : 50%
Liberal : 28%
NDP : 18.8%
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 12:00:00 PM »

1984 would be a landslide- the Tories would win everything except DC. What was true in the US (save MN) was true in Canada, where Mulroney won every province and Terr.

Winning 10 provinces out of 10 is not the same as winning 50 States of 50. Wink I might have overestimated the NDP a bit, but I think it's fair to assume each party would have retained its main strongholds.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 03:51:44 PM »

I apportioned seats the Canadian way, with each state getting no fewer members than Senators and no fewer members than it had in 1984. Would anyone be interested in drawing constituencies and looking at how they might vote?



I'll try to draw a few ASAP, if you want. Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 05:12:41 PM »

BTW Xahar, which formula did you use to apportion seats ? Initially I thought you were just keeping the same numbers and adding seats based on the two "clauses", but then I noticed California and Florida have less seats than IRL...
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,166
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 03:27:49 PM »

Here's Missouri :



I've tried to abide by Canada's rule : compact districts respecting county/city borders as much as possible. But the 25% requirement is insanely lax : I tried to make variation not exceed 10%.

Don't know how these districts would vote with Canadian parties, but here are the results for the 2008 election :
- District 1 : M 63.1 / O 35.5
- District 2 : M 61.3 / O 37.1
- District 3 : O 62.4 / M 36.5
- District 4 : M 62.1 / O 36.2
- District 5 : M 52.1 / O 46.4
- District 6 : O 80.3 / M 18.8
- Disctrict 7 : O 51.2 / M 47.9
- District 8 : M 56 / O 42.7
- District 9 : M 53.1 / O 45.2


BTW Xahar, which formula did you use to apportion seats ? Initially I thought you were just keeping the same numbers and adding seats based on the two "clauses", but then I noticed California and Florida have less seats than IRL...

I divided each state's population by 435 to get an ideal constituency size, and then I divided each population by that ideal constituency size and rounded down to get the baseline number of seats. After that, I added seats based on the various clauses.

So for example is the raw number was 52.9 you rounded down to 52 ? Is it how they do in Canada ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 04:19:32 PM »

Antonio, you're supposed to name the districts. That's part of the whole fun!

Looks like I don't have this "Canadian" mindset. Wink The purple one would obviously be "Kansas city" and the teal one "St. Louis". The big ones can simply be "Northwest", "Northeast", "Centre-west", "Centre-east", "Southwest" and "Southeast". I know, I'm not very original. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 11:42:41 AM »

Teddy, wouldn't it be possible to respect county lines a bit more ? I think that's what Canadian apportioners would focus on, isn't it ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 04:34:03 PM »

I'm working on a Wisconsin map. Will be ready for tomorrow.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 01:10:19 PM »
« Edited: January 19, 2012, 01:38:18 PM by Antonio V »

Here's Wisconsin !



Let's see if I can find the correct names for each district. Wink

Waukesha-West Allis-Franklin
Kenosha-Racine-Jamesville
Milwaukee
Madison-Fort Atkinson-Portage
La Crosse-River Falls-Reedsburg
Sheboyban-Fond Du Lac-Manitowoc-West Bend
Green Bay-Wausau-Marinette
Appleton-Oshkosh-Stevens Point
Eau Claire-Superior-Hudson-Merrill
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,166
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 01:24:04 PM »
« Edited: January 19, 2012, 01:26:10 PM by Antonio V »

While they weren't big enough for their own districts, I did have to split Orleans Parish and Jefferson Parish due to the high population in the area.


Nothing against your map, but just to give people the choice, I did another Louisiana 8-district map for Hashemite's thread a couple weeks ago.



Your 3rd district is the exact same as my 5th, interestingly. And our 1st one is pretty similar too.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2012, 05:31:33 AM »

Comments on my Wisconsin map ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,166
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2012, 03:03:33 PM »

Thank you for your corrections, Vazdul. I'll try to come with a revised map as soon as I can.
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