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« Reply #1025 on: June 17, 2012, 01:36:29 pm »
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New Democracy could form a coalition with Pasok, but from this tweet from Radiobubble's Spyros Gkelis suggests might not happen.

PASOK officially states that won't participate in any government without SYRIZA in it #Greece2012 #rbnews

SYRIZA-PASOK-ANEL-DIMAR only gets them to 141, so no.

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« Reply #1026 on: June 17, 2012, 01:37:12 pm »
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How is joining a rightwing government not suicide for PASOK?
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« Reply #1027 on: June 17, 2012, 01:40:57 pm »
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How is joining a rightwing government not suicide for PASOK?

I too would like to know this
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« Reply #1028 on: June 17, 2012, 01:41:28 pm »
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They wouldn't be any worse off than they were before the election. If the logic is that they want to bring in more parties to share in unpopular decisions because they think they can't survive electorally, well they will never bring the Nazis and Communists together and god help us if those are the only two parties taking an opposition role.
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« Reply #1029 on: June 17, 2012, 01:42:21 pm »
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Why doesn't PASOK just forma  coalition with SYRIZA?
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« Reply #1030 on: June 17, 2012, 01:43:43 pm »
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As votes continue to come in the trend is for SYRIZA to gain at the expense of PASOK whereas ND stays around the same.  It should be the affect of Athens coming in where ND and SYRIZA are strong and PASOK is weak.
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« Reply #1031 on: June 17, 2012, 01:45:00 pm »
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Why doesn't PASOK just forma  coalition with SYRIZA?

They probably will if SYRIZA manages to win. But that is looking more and more unlikely.
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« Reply #1032 on: June 17, 2012, 01:45:29 pm »
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Why doesn't PASOK just forma  coalition with SYRIZA?

They'd only have like 100 seats and you need 151 for a majority.
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« Reply #1033 on: June 17, 2012, 01:46:12 pm »
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37.5% in:

ND: 30.53
SYRIZA: 25.99
PASOK: 12.87
ANEL: 7.41
Golden Shower: 6.95
DIMAR: 6.01
KKE: 4.43
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« Reply #1034 on: June 17, 2012, 01:46:33 pm »
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How is joining a rightwing government not suicide for PASOK?

Why is what PASOK has done up to now not electoral suicide? If they can survive 2 elections with a viable leftist alternative it can survive an ND-PASOK government.
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« Reply #1035 on: June 17, 2012, 01:47:32 pm »
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Official government projection - 29.6% ND, 27.1% Syriza.
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« Reply #1036 on: June 17, 2012, 01:48:05 pm »
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Syriza is closing the gap however...   i see a 3rd election...
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« Reply #1037 on: June 17, 2012, 01:49:02 pm »
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30.50 to 26.00 atm. Lol.
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« Reply #1038 on: June 17, 2012, 01:50:44 pm »
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KKE heading for the worst result in it's history. lol.
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« Reply #1039 on: June 17, 2012, 01:53:31 pm »
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ND spokesperson saying there's gonna ask Syriza for a grand coalition. No chance.
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« Reply #1040 on: June 17, 2012, 01:55:28 pm »
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ND 30.45
SYRIZA 26.04
PASOK 12.85
ANEL 7.43
Nazis 6.96
DIMAR 6.04
KKE 4.39
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« Reply #1041 on: June 17, 2012, 01:58:13 pm »
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Reading the article below, if there is a third election because PASOK refuses to join ND then it is the fault of the 2 large parities and not itself, at least according to PASOK.


     June 17 (ANA-MPA) -- PASOK should not participate in any
government that did not have the Radical Leftist Coalition
(SYRIZA) within it, top flight PASOK cadre Anna Diamantopoulou
said during a discussion with reporters at PASOK's offices on
Sunday.
     Asked whether the country could withstand a third round of
elections, Diamantopoulou said that responsibility for forming
a government belonged to the two 'big' parties and that SYRIZA
should take on responsibility for leading the country to
elections.
     She noted that the ND-PASOK coalition could not work again
because it had been 'battered' by the people and that the
country could not be governed by 41 percent of the electorate
with 59 percent opposed.
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« Reply #1042 on: June 17, 2012, 02:04:12 pm »
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Holy $h*t, what what the f--k have the PASOK folks been smoking?  Are they honestly hoping to provoke new elections?
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« Reply #1043 on: June 17, 2012, 02:07:14 pm »
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Panos Kammenos, leader of the Independent Greeks, a right-wing party that could have been in line to ally with New Democracy has told the press that the party is keen to support a government that will condemn the bailout agreements Ė that would in effect rule out a deal with New Democracy.
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« Reply #1044 on: June 17, 2012, 02:07:35 pm »
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It would be nice if someone would actually step up to the plate in that country and not constantly try to shift the burden to someone else.
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« Reply #1045 on: June 17, 2012, 02:09:14 pm »
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If this woman is reflecting PASOK's actual views, my guess is that the party is considering that any coalition with ND is going to damage it very badly electorally for a clear decade - and give Syriza a chance at a majority at the 2016 elections - because the bailout if it continues will hurt their working-class voters (of course, so too would a default).
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« Reply #1046 on: June 17, 2012, 02:09:52 pm »
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http://www.skai.gr/ekloges2012  great results table graphic thing here
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« Reply #1047 on: June 17, 2012, 02:10:05 pm »
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It would be nice if someone would actually step up to the plate in that country and not constantly try to shift the burden to someone else.

ND has, sort of.  (Besides the whole pandering/preparing to blame the Germans by saying they'll "renegotiate" the bailout agreement).
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« Reply #1048 on: June 17, 2012, 02:11:48 pm »
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Reading the article below, if there is a third election because PASOK refuses to join ND then it is the fault of the 2 large parities and not itself, at least according to PASOK.


     June 17 (ANA-MPA) -- PASOK should not participate in any
government that did not have the Radical Leftist Coalition
(SYRIZA) within it, top flight PASOK cadre Anna Diamantopoulou
said during a discussion with reporters at PASOK's offices on
Sunday.
     Asked whether the country could withstand a third round of
elections, Diamantopoulou said that responsibility for forming
a government belonged to the two 'big' parties and that SYRIZA
should take on responsibility for leading the country to
elections.
     She noted that the ND-PASOK coalition could not work again
because it had been 'battered' by the people and that the
country could not be governed by 41 percent of the electorate
with 59 percent opposed.


Thats interesting, because PASOK had no problem governing with 43% of the electorate in 2009
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« Reply #1049 on: June 17, 2012, 02:14:49 pm »
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PASOK's leader has said that Syriza should be in any coalition - BBC.
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