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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #900 on: June 16, 2012, 05:25:19 PM »
« edited: June 16, 2012, 05:43:04 PM by Iatrogenesis »

There is no such thing as "anti-austerity," except as a lie, a dream. The pot at the end of the rainbow to that one is north of the Alps.

The pot was already given over at very low interest rates years earlier and the leprechauns now want it back and they are very, very persistent.

Just give it to them - not what they had but enough to prevent disaster from occurring. The well-being of one's neighbor is one's well-being, as well, to some extent. I would say the same about post WWI reparations as well.

That's not enough. And it is a bit late in the day to speak of disaster not occurring - it has already happened, it just hasn't made itself clear yet in all its manifestations.

You are right of course. But try telling that to Franzl and the rest of "we all need to be modern" fetishists. Or the Axel-Springer group for that matter.
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« Reply #901 on: June 16, 2012, 06:15:08 PM »

I hope ND/PASOK can win enough for a majority...
I hope SYRIZA/DIMAR can win enough for a majority.  

That won't matter as DIMAR don't want to work with SYRIZA.

The most likely outcome should SYRIZA be the largest party is yet another deadlock actually (even if the KKE finally decide to drop their wearing sectarianism).

There is also some chance of SYRIZA+ANEL coalition.
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« Reply #902 on: June 16, 2012, 06:27:20 PM »

Shouldn't some results be in by now?  It's past 2 in the morning in Greece. 
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« Reply #903 on: June 16, 2012, 06:28:39 PM »

Shouldn't some results be in by now?  It's past 2 in the morning in Greece. 

The election is tomorrow.
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« Reply #904 on: June 16, 2012, 06:36:45 PM »

Oh.  Lol sorry I'd assumed it would be today (since they normally vote on Sunday in Europe).
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« Reply #905 on: June 16, 2012, 06:40:37 PM »

Oh.  Lol sorry I'd assumed it would be today (since they normally vote on Sunday in Europe).

They do. Today is Saturday.
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« Reply #906 on: June 16, 2012, 06:44:03 PM »

Oh.  Lol sorry I'd assumed it would be today (since they normally vote on Sunday in Europe).

They do. Today is Saturday.
Darn it!  I'm really discombobulated right now.  (slept until 1 today, so I'm kinda in that state where I slept so long that it's like I didn't sleep enough).
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« Reply #907 on: June 16, 2012, 10:39:56 PM »

Greece's Euro victory will push SYRIZA over the line.
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« Reply #908 on: June 17, 2012, 12:02:05 AM »
« Edited: June 17, 2012, 12:06:15 AM by Peternerdman »

Greece's Euro victory will push SYRIZA over the line.
I hope you're right.  Imagine what it'll be like if they face Germany in the quarterfinal five days from now (since it's officially Sunday now where I am...yay).  Eesh.  
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« Reply #909 on: June 17, 2012, 12:09:37 AM »

My prediction:

29% ND
28% SYRIZA
14% PASOK
  6% DIMAR
  5% ANEL
  5% KKE
  4% XA
  9% Others
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« Reply #910 on: June 17, 2012, 12:22:01 AM »

I just voted for ND for the first time in my life.
The truth is that we face a terrible choice. Our house is on fire and we have to vote either for an incompetent firefighter (Samaras) or for an arsonist (Tsipras). I just hope that I will be able to live for the rest of my life with what I did just a few minutes ago.
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« Reply #911 on: June 17, 2012, 12:32:45 AM »

When can we expect the exit polls again ?

8pm Athens time (which would be 7 here) ?
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« Reply #912 on: June 17, 2012, 12:39:39 AM »

When can we expect the exit polls again ?

8pm Athens time (which would be 7 here) ?
They close at 7 pm Athens time which is 6 pm where you are, and 12 pm where I am.  Oh boy, I'll have a tense afternoon.
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« Reply #913 on: June 17, 2012, 03:33:27 AM »

Couldn't help see the political significance last night, yeah. Especially in Sifakis' (shown live but only partially translated, of course...) ramblings afterwards. Screw the EU, screw the UEFA, screw the refs, screw the IMF, screw the defeatist press, screw the defeatist austeritymongers. Greece shall rise again, alone and in opposition.
That was not presumably what he said, it certainly wasn't what the translator said, but it was the vibe you got from the tone of voice and the partial translation.
And on friday the second German-dominated Großeuropa will crash and burn. In Danzig. How fitting.
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« Reply #914 on: June 17, 2012, 05:06:11 AM »

Greece's Euro victory will push SYRIZA over the line.
I hope you're right.  Imagine what it'll be like if they face Germany in the quarterfinal five days from now (since it's officially Sunday now where I am...yay).  Eesh.  

The match will be replayed as many times as needed until the right result is produced.
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« Reply #915 on: June 17, 2012, 05:07:45 AM »

Positive side aspects of what was planned for the first game will be missing from the replay, however.
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« Reply #916 on: June 17, 2012, 05:38:50 AM »

From bailout country to bailout country: good luck, Greece. If you are religious, guys, just pray: God save us from our incompetent firemen. If you are agnostic like me just cross your fingers. I read yesterday in times like these which has been deemed radical now seems a no-nonsense approach. Even Samaras talks about a renegotiation.
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« Reply #917 on: June 17, 2012, 08:48:12 AM »

I just voted for ND for the first time in my life.
The truth is that we face a terrible choice. Our house is on fire and we have to vote either for an incompetent firefighter (Samaras) or for an arsonist (Tsipras). I just hope that I will be able to live for the rest of my life with what I did just a few minutes ago.

I agree with this post, unfortunately. I can't believe I want ND to win, but Tsipras and SYRIZA represents everything I loathe about the left and they're the reason why I'll never be a "real" left-winger despite everything.
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« Reply #918 on: June 17, 2012, 09:17:11 AM »

from the guardian:

"News in from Helena Smith, our correspondent in Athens, on the latest polls being conducted on behalf of political parties ahead of the close of the ballot at 7pm local time (5pm BST).

I have just spoken to a senior cadre in the socialist Pasok party where polling results are being monitored on a two-hourly basis. "The next few hours are crucial as the rush to vote has only just begun among young people," he told me. "From now to the close of the election polling stations are likely to be packed."

Latest results, he said, show the conservative "pro-European" New Democracy party in the lead with 29% of the vote closely followed by the anti-bailout far-left Syriza party with 27%. Pasok is in third with 12%. The small European-oriented Democrat Left has around 6%. Support for the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party, which was catapulted into parliament for the first time since the collapse of military rule in 1974, was also at 6%. Figures for the communist KKE party and anti-austerity Independent Greeks party were not available."
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« Reply #919 on: June 17, 2012, 09:38:36 AM »

Interestingly, I found out that I have a Greek cable channel on my TV.

Will probably use this ERT World one for the Exit Polls.
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« Reply #920 on: June 17, 2012, 11:02:33 AM »

BBC say its very close, for what that's worth.
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« Reply #921 on: June 17, 2012, 11:03:19 AM »

ND seems to have a teeny, tiny edge over the arsonists.
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« Reply #922 on: June 17, 2012, 11:04:58 AM »

ND seems to have a teeny, tiny edge over the arsonists.

Of course, the real question is whether a pro stability majority can be found. ND finishing on top doesn't mean we won't still have chaos...
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« Reply #923 on: June 17, 2012, 11:05:34 AM »

One would think that ND (and PASOK) would be the arsonists in the image. Seeing as the building is clearly burning already.
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« Reply #924 on: June 17, 2012, 11:10:02 AM »

First exit poll results via Mega TV:
New Democracy - 27.5-30.5%,
 Syriza - 27-30%,
 Pasok - 10-12%,
Independent Greeks - 6-7.5%,
Golden Dawn - 6-7.5%,
Democratic Left - 5.5-6.5%,
Communists - 5-6%.
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