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« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2012, 12:37:04 pm »
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PASOK 7.0%    ND 18.6%    KKE 8.7%    LAOS 4.3%    SYRIZA 8.2%    DIMAR 7.5%    Greens 3.6%    XA 1.7% (a new nazi party, apparently?)   other / undecided 40.4%

Oh wow. Oh lol.
That poll seems to be out of line with the rest though.
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« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2012, 12:38:46 pm »
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PASOK 7.0%    ND 18.6%    KKE 8.7%    LAOS 4.3%    SYRIZA 8.2%    DIMAR 7.5%    Greens 3.6%    XA 1.7% (a new nazi party, apparently?)   other / undecided 40.4%

Oh wow. Oh lol.
That poll seems to be out of line with the rest though.
Not much apart from the high Green support. It's just that most of the others are recalculated to 100%.
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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2012, 12:50:29 pm »

PASOK in fifth and ND at a paltry 30ish percent would be amusing in terms of forming a government out of that. KKE wants nothing to do with any government, to begin with.
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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2012, 12:53:34 pm »
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PASOK in fifth and ND at a paltry 30ish percent would be amusing in terms of forming a government out of that. KKE wants nothing to do with any government, to begin with.
Which is why I'm rooting for KKE to top the poll given Greece's electoral law. Grin
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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2012, 01:14:22 pm »
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You guys... numbers people, numbers!!!


Here is the average of the last 3 polls on wikipedia, minus undecided.


29.6% ND (conservative)
13.2% KKE (communist)
13.1% PASOK (progressive)
12.8% SYRIZA (left-wing)
12.4% DIMAR (social democrat)
6.2% LAOS (right-wing)
4.2% Green (Green)
2.8% XA (nazi)
1.8% DISY (centrist)
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2012, 01:16:04 pm »
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My only hope at this point is that ND does significantly worse than in 2009. Won't change the disgusting nature of these elections, but will alleviate the bitterness of PASOK's rout.
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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2012, 01:18:03 pm »
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124   ND
38   KKE
37   PASOK
36   SYRIZA
35   DIMAR
18   LAOS
12   GREEN


ND would need 27 extra seats for a majority.
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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2012, 01:20:07 pm »

My only hope at this point is that ND does significantly worse than in 2009. Won't change the disgusting nature of these elections, but will alleviate the bitterness of PASOK's rout.

PASOK's rout will be sweet, not bitter. They don't deserve anything better.
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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2012, 01:42:12 pm »
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124   ND
38   KKE
37   PASOK
36   SYRIZA
35   DIMAR
18   LAOS
12   GREEN


ND would need 27 extra seats for a majority.
What are the number if the greens don't make the threshold as they are prone to do?
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« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2012, 01:51:09 pm »
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My only hope at this point is that ND does significantly worse than in 2009. Won't change the disgusting nature of these elections, but will alleviate the bitterness of PASOK's rout.

PASOK's rout will be sweet, not bitter. They don't deserve anything better.

Of course Papandreou acted stupidly at the end of his term. But I doubt any of Europe's current politicians would have done any better than him in a similar situation.
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« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2012, 02:55:09 pm »
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It's true that around the world left-wing parties tend to balkanize, but what is preventing the three left-wing, non-tainted parties from forming a coalition and presenting a united left-wing, pro-default platform? Surely if there was an opportunity for success, this is it.
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« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2012, 03:06:51 pm »
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It's true that around the world left-wing parties tend to balkanize, but what is preventing the three left-wing, non-tainted parties from forming a coalition and presenting a united left-wing, pro-default platform? Surely if there was an opportunity for success, this is it.

The fact that the KKE still lives in the 1950s and thinks every other party (left and right altogether) is an evil bourgeois enemy of the proletariate.
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« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2012, 03:24:33 pm »
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If I were living in Greece right now, I'd spend more time making Molotov coktails than worrying about which of the useless parties to vote for. I imagine.
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« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2012, 05:33:51 pm »

It's true that around the world left-wing parties tend to balkanize, but what is preventing the three left-wing, non-tainted parties from forming a coalition and presenting a united left-wing, pro-default platform? Surely if there was an opportunity for success, this is it.

The KKE is Stalinist and hates SYRIZA, on paper its most likely "ally" with a passion unequaled.
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« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2012, 06:30:23 pm »
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It's true that around the world left-wing parties tend to balkanize, but what is preventing the three left-wing, non-tainted parties from forming a coalition and presenting a united left-wing, pro-default platform? Surely if there was an opportunity for success, this is it.

Don't the KKE, SYRIZA and the DIMAR hate eachother completely?

Also, don't forget that New Democracy will get that 40 seat bonus for being FPTP which would make the arithmatic difficult.
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« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2012, 04:32:12 am »
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It's true that around the world left-wing parties tend to balkanize, but what is preventing the three left-wing, non-tainted parties from forming a coalition and presenting a united left-wing, pro-default platform? Surely if there was an opportunity for success, this is it.

The fact that the KKE still lives in the 1950s and thinks every other party (left and right altogether) is an evil bourgeois enemy of the proletariate.
Also, that they're right about that (though nothing else whatsoever).
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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2012, 05:38:54 am »
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Public Issue Poll for Kathimerini
ND 31%
Democratic Left 18%
KKE 12.5%
SYRIZA 12%
PASOK 8 (!)%
LAOS 5%
Chrysi Avgi 3%

Will PASOK cease to exist after this election is held?
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« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2012, 05:51:15 am »
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Quite possibly.
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« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2012, 07:45:11 am »
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Remember that PASOK doesn't really have roots.
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« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2012, 07:50:30 am »
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I do, that's why I said "quite possibly", and not "they'll be around... somehow... in some form". Heck, even Israeli Labour is a more genuinely Socialist party than that thing.
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« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2012, 08:55:37 am »
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Oh, I had worked on Greek polls, but didn't noticed this thread. I'll try to put them into graphics. If somebody have time, PM me and I'll send the excel file.
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« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2012, 11:04:45 am »
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I do, that's why I said "quite possibly", and not "they'll be around... somehow... in some form". Heck, even Israeli Labour is a more genuinely Socialist party than that thing.

Oh, I was just backing you up.
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« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2012, 02:08:12 pm »
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So, how do I post pictures?
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<img></img> but with [] rather than <> and with the text thingy between. There is (I think) some sort of minimum number of posts rule as well. Can't recall what it is though.
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« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2012, 03:32:48 pm »
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Then It goes.

Average Polling since September.



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ND is going slightly downwards, but They're almost stable if compared to PASOK. The rest of the left surged as a whole, but lost ground on January, except for DIMAR, witch keeps a rocket ascention. The tentative center-right DISY wasn't able to take off and the Greens are endangered to crash in the ground. The horrible XA (what does it mean, Xenophobic Alliance?) appeared on the last couple of months on more than one poll. Before December, only VPRC included them.
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