Greece 2012

[Vosem]

Since there won't be any more public polls and it's doubtful anything will really change the state of the race, here are my predictions -- they come largely from averages, with some weighting. I actually put a quite a great deal of thought into this. Note that, when you take away the 50-seat bonus, ND/DISY only beat SYRIZA 71-70 -- meaning that, even though most thought it was pointless, the alliance with DISY, with these results, would have been the decisive moment of the campaign.

ND/DISY 121 (+13)
SYRIZA 70 (+18)
PASOK 37 (-4)
ANEL 19 (-14)
DIMAR 17 (-2)
KKE 14 (-12)
XA 13 (-8)
DX/DRASI-FS 9 (+9)

Note that a grand pro-austerity coalition, ND/PASOK/DISY/DX/DRASI-FS, would have 167 seats and therefore a rather comfortable majority. The Grexit...is averted. However, if we shift a single seat from ND to SYRIZA...SYRIZA/DIMAR would have only 138 seats, and they would have to recruit either KKE (doubtful), or more likely, ANEL for a grand anti-austerity coalition...I'm not sure to what extent SYRIZA/ANEL/DIMAR would really work though.

[Lasitten]

athensnews.gr/portal/8/56094

Way to go MP from to Golden Dawn attacks two other from SYRIZA and KKE.

[minionofmidas]

During a talkshow. They had remarked about the fact that he's facing trial for an armed robbery. He fled the studio afterwards... and had his bail revoked as a result of the incident and is currently at large.

Finally a party that can speak for the nonrespectable working class.

[batmacumba]

The original German word is Lumpenproletariat.

[minionofmidas]

The original German word is Lumpenproletariat.

While also fitting here, it's not a term in my lexicon and not precisely what I meant.

[Seattle]

Pretty ridiculous actions, but completely expected from him. Poor KKE woman, getting beat up.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Pretty ridiculous actions, but completely expected from him. Poor KKE woman, getting beat up.

Well, she is not exactly an innocent bystander. Kanelli is our communist equivalent of Steve King and Michele Bachmann.

[Boris]

As a Greek I'll tell you some facts about the aftermath.The beating and cursing continued while there was a commercial break.The man was chased in the studio by cameramen and the floor manager and they managed to lock him in a room where he hid until the police came.He then busted the door open and run away from the studio in the nearby fields

I wish they had left the cameras running! this would have been comical to watch

[lilTommy]

Pretty ridiculous actions, but completely expected from him. Poor KKE woman, getting beat up.

Well, she is not exactly an innocent bystander. Kanelli is our communist equivalent of Steve King and Michele Bachmann.

... And every time i see Michele Bachmann i DO want to punch her in the face...

Kanelli did after all throw some paper at him, and in good old fashioned neo-nazi style the best response is to be heavy handed... literally.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Surley this  must mean the end to Golden Dawn's time in parliament? No party can have a sitting MP do this on live TV right before an election and survive, not even in the special circumstances of this Greek election.

It's bad when you make me feel sympathetic to a communist. Especially when the communist is apperently a left-wing Michelle Bachmann. 

[You kip if you want to...]

He punches like a woman as well.

[Seattle]

Pretty ridiculous actions, but completely expected from him. Poor KKE woman, getting beat up.

Well, she is not exactly an innocent bystander. Kanelli is our communist equivalent of Steve King and Michele Bachmann.

Oh, I know. But physical violence never has a place in the arena of politics.

[tpfkaw]

So they have The Jerry Springer Show in Greece?

[Peter the Lefty]

Surley this  must mean the end to Golden Dawn's time in parliament?

Well, the thing is, if a person is actually a horrible enough human being to find it in themselves to vote for a neo-nazi party, than would they actually be bothered by something like this?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Surley this  must mean the end to Golden Dawn's time in parliament?

Well, the thing is, if a person is actually a horrible enough human being to find it in themselves to vote for a neo-nazi party, than would they actually be bothered by something like this?

Sadly, I think the kind of people who vote for XA are just deluded idiots who have no idea what kind of party they are voting for. A share of them probably don't even know what a nazi is...

[ObserverIE]

Not sure if this is old news, disinformation, or both, but from today's Irish Times:

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[LastVoter]

Surley this  must mean the end to Golden Dawn's time in parliament?

Well, the thing is, if a person is actually a horrible enough human being to find it in themselves to vote for a neo-nazi party, than would they actually be bothered by something like this?

Sadly, I think the kind of people who vote for XA are just deluded idiots who have no idea what kind of party they are voting for. A share of them probably don't even know what a nazi is...

Nah they know what a Nazi is, they just deny what they have done.

[© tweed]

As a Greek I'll tell you some facts about the aftermath.The beating and cursing continued while there was a commercial break.The man was chased in the studio by cameramen and the floor manager and they managed to lock him in a room where he hid until the police came.He then busted the door open and run away from the studio in the nearby fields

I wish they had left the cameras running! this would have been comical to watch

problem is half of cops voted XD last turnaround.  I saw something two days ago that says XD is planning to forcibly evict illegal immigrants from hospitals.

[Boris]

I don't think they mention anything about 'illegal:'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/12/golden-dawn-hospital-immigrants-greece?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

Of course, the problem with going around and beating up/murdering everyone who isn't white is that eventually they're going to do it to another EU national or an American. Which would then decimate the Greek tourism industry. But I suppose most XA members probably have some form of mental illness and therefore are incapable of reaching such conclusions.

[Dereich]

As a Greek I'll tell you some facts about the aftermath.The beating and cursing continued while there was a commercial break.The man was chased in the studio by cameramen and the floor manager and they managed to lock him in a room where he hid until the police came.He then busted the door open and run away from the studio in the nearby fields

I wish they had left the cameras running! this would have been comical to watch

problem is half of cops voted XD last turnaround.  I saw something two days ago that says XD is planning to forcibly evict illegal immigrants from hospitals.

Ok, can we call XD Golden Dawn? I had to reread your post 2 or 3 times before I realized you weren't super excited that cops voted. Having a party abbreviation that's the same as an emote is super annoying.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

It's also XA in Greek and GD in English so I don't know where XD is coming from.

[© tweed]

XD is a smilie/emoticon.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ok, can we call XD Golden Dawn?

No. The board rule is that they are to be called Golden Shower.

[Zanas]

Isn't that Rule 34 ?

[jaichind]

My gut feeling is that ND is going to beat out SYRIZA.  It should be something like
ND       29
SYRIZA 25
PASOK  10

At this stage the desire to get to a stable governement should be overriding all other concerns. This should be enough for ND-PASOK to get a slim majority.