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« Reply #1075 on: June 17, 2012, 03:20:50 pm »
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with that kind of coalition greece will burn...    pasok lost its mandate..  they are not change...  its like us voting democrats into congress and the white house for change..  you not going to get change from the same two parties uve been voting for for the last 30 years (hundreds in our case)  the may election made it clear that the greeks want change.
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« Reply #1076 on: June 17, 2012, 03:22:12 pm »
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Don't have computer access unfortunately, just skimming through everything with my phone, but it's interesting to see SYRIZA basically replacing PASOK (and PASOK replacing KKE) in a manner reminiscent of Greece's old two-and-a-half party system.

Never got to post my analysis of the last polls; these results are similar to what I was expecting, though I was thinking there'd be a closer margin. Wouldn't be surprised to see SYRIZA close the gap a bit with late returns, though, just like they did last month. 
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« Reply #1077 on: June 17, 2012, 03:31:07 pm »
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Zakynthos is all in.

Syriza 34.7 (+18.7)
ND 28.3 (+7.2)
PASOK 11.7 (-3.9)
KKE 7.6 (-5.6)
ChrA 5.5 (-0.6)
Dimar 4.2 (-0.8)
Anel 4.1 (-1.3)

turnout 55.2, don't have the comparison figure but raw votes cast appear to be a tiny handful fewer than last time.
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« Reply #1078 on: June 17, 2012, 03:55:57 pm »
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Just 1 vote for the Farmer Labour party (PAEKE) so far.
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« Reply #1079 on: June 17, 2012, 04:02:06 pm »
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Samos all in.

Syriza 25.5 (+11.5)
ND 24.6 (+7.3)
KKE 18.3 (-6.4)
PASOK 10.8 (-1.1)
ChrA 5.9 (+0.8)
Anel 5.7 (-2.8)
Dimar 4.6 (-0.3)

turnout 51.0%

Fun fact: Syriza didn't win any of the three islands the constituency is made up from.

Samos itself went 28.1-24.5 ND, Ikaria remains in KKE hands though it was close at 34.1-31.4, and tiny Fournoi was actually won by PASOK in a close three way tie with KKE (who won there last time) and ND.
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« Reply #1080 on: June 17, 2012, 04:12:07 pm »
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« Reply #1081 on: June 17, 2012, 04:16:47 pm »
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Of course, the 'anti-bailout' SYRIZA's campaign consists of promising an even bigger bailout, even though it's not theirs to promise.
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« Reply #1082 on: June 17, 2012, 04:18:29 pm »
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Well, "anti-bailout" is a ridiculous term.

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« Reply #1083 on: June 17, 2012, 04:26:27 pm »
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ND finally drops under 30%.
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« Reply #1084 on: June 17, 2012, 04:42:15 pm »
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Could ND be allowed to form a minority government and PASOK could give it confidence without joining the government?
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« Reply #1085 on: June 17, 2012, 04:44:46 pm »
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I wonder how one can seriously rank Goden Dawn (their name would be the only fancy thing they have) in any part, that'd barely be a political party, but merely an anti-foreigners militia, and a quite efficient and appreciated one when it comes to violently wipe out foreigners from the center of Athens if I believe what said once the quite good French journalist in Greece Alexia Kefalas, apparently in some districts they became a kind of unofficial police that people call first.

And more generally yeah, this way to show things is kinda twisted.
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« Reply #1086 on: June 17, 2012, 04:46:46 pm »
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ATHENS--The radical left Syriza party that won second place in Sunday's Greek elections will not participate in a government with the conservative winner, New Democracy, which is expected to form a coalition with the Socialist Pasok party this week.

"We will fight tooth and nail to persuade Syriza to participate," said a senior official of Pasok, whose leader has called repeatedly for a broad government of national unity. "But failing that, we will not leave the country ungoverned," he said.

Pasok officials added that they would seek to form a government with New Democracy and smaller parties such as the Democratic Left.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120617-701186.html

Such a government would have 160+ votes, similar to or more than PASOK started with in 2009.
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« Reply #1087 on: June 17, 2012, 04:49:44 pm »
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Tonight on CNBC, Michelle Caruso-Cabrera leads CNBC special documentary on "A Greek Tragedy." 8PM (eastern US, I assume)

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http://www.zahistation.com/watch-cnbc-live
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« Reply #1088 on: June 17, 2012, 04:53:09 pm »
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As expected really... most surprising thing is that XA's vote more or less held steady.

See you in this thread again in six months time.
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« Reply #1089 on: June 17, 2012, 05:08:34 pm »
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What the heck?

I'm on itélé for French elections and their journalists (not the one I mentioned earlier), just said Golden Dawn would be part of the new govt.

Nah, it's just that this journalist might be very tired or something...(isn't it??)
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« Reply #1090 on: June 17, 2012, 05:36:32 pm »
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What the heck?

I'm on itélé for French elections and their journalists (not the one I mentioned earlier), just said Golden Dawn would be part of the new govt.

Nah, it's just that this journalist might be very tired or something...(isn't it??)

Oh, but wouldn't it make a lot of sense to go into coalition with the Nazis?  I'm sure you could buy them off by just giving them the Interior Ministry.

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« Reply #1091 on: June 17, 2012, 05:50:01 pm »
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AND, well, they proved themselves worthy by throwing water at Syriza's face, and punching KKE in the face so... That would be quite the reward to invite them.

Pasok make me puke. The sole fact that this "So" in their name stands for "socialist" makes me want to throw on each and every one of them.
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« Reply #1092 on: June 17, 2012, 06:49:47 pm »
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What the heck?

I'm on itélé for French elections and their journalists (not the one I mentioned earlier), just said Golden Dawn would be part of the new govt.

Nah, it's just that this journalist might be very tired or something...(isn't it??)

Oh, but wouldn't it make a lot of sense to go into coalition with the Nazis?  I'm sure you could buy them off by just giving them the Interior Ministry.

Tongue

Not only that, but turning over policing functions to XA volunteers would save the government money.
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« Reply #1093 on: June 17, 2012, 07:11:00 pm »
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Where's the CNBC special report? I must have gotten the time wrong.

The Greek people have once again put in a heroic effort. The ball is now in Germany's court.

This government has six months to achieve internal devaluation, fix the current account, balance the primary deficit, and generally meet the targets of the IMF/Troika agreement. F__king around isn't going to do it any more. The success depends on things like opening up the professions (for real, not just passing a law that says 'we'll open the professions' but when you actually see more taxis on the streets), massively slashing government payrolls and government salaries, and the like, instead of enacting new taxes. Cost cuts should be focused on operations, while infrastructure and other projects to boost growth should not be cut.
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« Reply #1094 on: June 17, 2012, 07:14:13 pm »
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Good results, happy for Greece.
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« Reply #1095 on: June 17, 2012, 07:24:01 pm »
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We had a near death experience. Let's hope that Merkel and Co. now will act or else she might become the person that resurrects from their graves both fascism and communism.
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« Reply #1096 on: June 17, 2012, 07:27:16 pm »
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The ball is now in Germany's court.

Yeah, and Schaüble immediately warmly welcomed them:

'Greeks have accepted to lead deep reforms tonight'

What about, after Merkel telling Greece to do 'the right choice' a few days ago, Germany to begin to consider that the concept of Freedom and of Democracy can also belong to Greeks, or more simply put, what about a bit of respect? Might eventually help things to improve...
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« Reply #1097 on: June 17, 2012, 07:27:58 pm »
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Since it appears that many civil servants have already seen their salaries cut by 3, how will you "slash government payrolls and salaries" ?

This is an example of the contrary of democracy : when you tell people 24h/24 that something is the only way, they end up chosing it. And even if they do not, you make them vote again, and again, and again, until they vote what you demanded they should vote. Worked in Denmark, worked in Ireland, worked in France (referendum of 2005, congressional vote of 2007), apparently works in Greece...

Depresses me...
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« Reply #1098 on: June 17, 2012, 07:31:25 pm »
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worked in France (referendum of 2005, congressional vote of 2007)

Hmm, just, the congressional vote and the referendum one aren't really the same kind, to say the least, and that's precisely something that remains a big enough issue, people like MLP can enjoy surfing on that democratic rigging...
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« Reply #1099 on: June 17, 2012, 07:38:52 pm »
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Since it appears that many civil servants have already seen their salaries cut by 3, how will you "slash government payrolls and salaries" ?

What are Greece's current unit labor costs? What is the month-over-month and year-over-year rate of CPI compared to Germany? What is the current account balance? What is the non-interest expenditure and its change over the past year, two years, three years?
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