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HP/HA. Lew a racist and Ludwig Von Misses should be change to Murray Rothbard, giving that the institute is more anarchy capitalism where Von Misses was a Minarchist.
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I kind of like lewrockwell.com and read it sometimes, even if about 75% of what's posted is absolutely insane to a hilarious level. Despite that they seem more level headed and down to earth than the neocons pre-2009 or teabaggers post-2009, which is quite telling.
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I much prefer Ludwig von Accurate myself.
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Quote from: Ramsey Clark on December 17, 2011, 10:27:01 pm
HP/HA. Lew a racist and Ludwig Von Misses should be change to Murray Rothbard, giving that the institute is more anarchy capitalism where Von Misses was a Monarchist.
minarchist?
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Lew Rockwell is obviously a very, very racist man, but his writings still are good, and Ludwig Von Misses and Murray Rothbard were both some of the greatest economist I know of.
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FF's. I have the LRC and Mises apps installed on my phone and have one of Rockwell's books (which I haven't read yet) sitting on my shelf.
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Quote from: shua, gm on December 18, 2011, 01:04:07 am
Quote from: Ramsey Clark on December 17, 2011, 10:27:01 pm
HP/HA. Lew a racist and Ludwig Von Misses should be change to Murray Rothbard, giving that the institute is more anarchy capitalism where Von Misses was a Monarchist.
minarchist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism
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Quote from: Ramsey Clark on December 18, 2011, 10:34:48 am
Quote from: shua, gm on December 18, 2011, 01:04:07 am
Quote from: Ramsey Clark on December 17, 2011, 10:27:01 pm
HP/HA. Lew a racist and Ludwig Von Misses should be change to Murray Rothbard, giving that the institute is more anarchy capitalism where Von Misses was a Monarchist.
minarchist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism
Yes, he's a minarchist, not a monarchist.
I've read a little Von Mises and he's intellectually stimulating. Rockwell isn't in the same league.
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Sorry, I had my words mixed up with each other forgetting that monarchist is anything but libertarian.
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Personal I think that when people talk about the Austrian School of Economics, they should read up on Austria-Hungary. In fact the minarchist approach of the government was a major reason for why the Austrians failed to develop the empire's infrastructure. That may be answered with a so what? But it was a major reason for why the empire did so badly in WWI, because they had trouble getting materials to the fronts. It also limited the industrial development of the empire to the borderland of Germany, which specialised in export to Germany, while the rest of the empire was mostly raw material producer. Germany on the other hand made active investments in infrastructure, which enabled them to both growing the economy in peace time and to move troops faster to the front than their enemies, thereby placing the front in enemy territory rather than in their own.
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I'll reserve judgement on Von Mises for now, but Lew Rockwell represents a reactionary and bigoted strain of libertarianism that, as a self-identified libertarian, I find deeply embarrassing. Very much an HP and the most important reason why I refuse to support Ron Paul. (Yet I'm ridiculed when I claim that I'm a libertarian who would rather support Obama...)
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Quote from: Averroës Nix on December 18, 2011, 11:23:29 am
I'll reserve judgement on Von Mises for now, but Lew Rockwell represents a reactionary and bigoted strain of libertarianism that, as a self-identified libertarian, I find deeply embarrassing. Very much an HP and the most important reason why I refuse to support Ron Paul. (Yet I'm ridiculed when I claim that I'm a libertarian who would rather support Obama...)
There is zero reason to support Obama as a libertarian. You'd be more justified going for the Green Party candidate.
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I admire libertarianism, though I'm not one anymore. Lew Rockwell is rather nasty, but the LVW is pretty good.
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Quote from: Ramsey Clark on December 18, 2011, 10:49:10 am
Sorry, I had my words mixed up with each other forgetting that monarchist is anything but libertarian.
Actually there are
libertarian monarchist sympathizers
out there (well, at least minarchists who could support it, or something)...
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Quote from: night society on December 18, 2011, 07:27:54 pm
Quote from: Ramsey Clark on December 18, 2011, 10:49:10 am
Sorry, I had my words mixed up with each other forgetting that monarchist is anything but libertarian.
Actually there are
libertarian monarchist sympathizers
out there (well, at least minarchists who could support it, or something)...
Well, Hans Hermann-Hoppe is actually an anarchist, but he does make the salutary point that the differing time-preferences of politicians in 'democratic' systems and monarchs lead to different results, keeping all other aspects of government equal. A politician will do or say anything in order to be elected, regardless of the long-term effects on the country, while a monarch actually has an incentive not to do things that will ruin his country in the long term.
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Quote from: night society on December 18, 2011, 06:01:27 pm
There is zero reason to support Obama as a libertarian. You'd be more justified going for the Green Party candidate.
Yeah, I'm going to waste my time voting for some perennial candidate who probably couldn't win a local election even if he or she tried.
The most effective way to become engaged with politics in the United States is from within the two-party system, and as dissatisfied with Obama as I may be it's either him or it's (tentatively speaking) Romney. Besides, like him, I'm a Saul Alinsky-radical:
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Quote from: Averroës Nix on December 18, 2011, 07:54:10 pm
Quote from: night society on December 18, 2011, 06:01:27 pm
There is zero reason to support Obama as a libertarian. You'd be more justified going for the Green Party candidate.
Yeah, I'm going to waste my time voting for some perennial candidate who probably couldn't win a local election even if he or she tried.
The most effective way to become engaged with politics in the United States is from within the two-party system, and as dissatisfied with Obama as I may be it's either him or it's (tentatively speaking) Romney. Besides, like him, I'm a Saul Alinsky-radical:
How is that anymore of a waste of time than giving your vote to someone who you know is just going to continue wars in the middle east, bail outs, raids on medical marijuana fields and generally ignoring civil liberties to name a few issues? It's not like your 1 vote is really that consequential in the first place, I'm not really sure what your goal in compromising is here.
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Quote from: night society on December 18, 2011, 08:55:45 pm
How is that anymore of a waste of time than giving your vote to someone who you know is just going to continue wars in the middle east, bail outs, raids on medical marijuana fields and generally ignoring civil liberties to name a few issues? It's not like your 1 vote is really that consequential in the first place, I'm not really sure what your goal in compromising is here.
I'm talking about political engagement, not just voting.
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Ludwig Von Mises Institute: I think it's safe to say FF on that one.
Lew Rockwell.........well he is an interesting case to say the least. But, considering that he doesn't fully approve of the development of so-called "paleolibertarianism" because of ugly implications of it being "socially conservative libertarianism"......I can't really hold it against him. Also, his website is pretty fascinating. I don't agree with 100% of everything ever said on it, but it's vastly preferable to the vast majority of other websites (maybe even this one).
And frankly, considering his stances against imperialism and statist government, who gives a rat's ass if he's racist? His policies are a hell of a lot less racist than at least 90% of current US politicians
On net I woud say, at least now days, he is a lot more FF than he is HP.
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Is Lew Rockwell really social conservative? I'm asking this since I look up Wikipedia and it says he's a Catholic which could affect his views on abortion and gay marriage if he's more of a practicing Catholic and not a Mario Cuomo Catholic. Also, I search up for some articles about his views on abortion and all it pop up was articles of contributors to articles ob his website.
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Quote from: Ramsey Clark on December 21, 2011, 05:47:55 pm
Is Lew Rockwell really social conservative? I'm asking this since I look up Wikipedia and it says he's a Catholic which could affect his views on abortion and gay marriage if he's more of a practicing Catholic and not a Mario Cuomo Catholic. Also, I search up for some articles about his views on abortion and all it pop up was articles of contributors to articles ob his website.
Lew Rockwell actually has pretty socially "liberal" views himself (though he disapproves of drug use and prostitution even though he wants them to be legal). "Paleolibertarians," including several regular columnists at Rockwell's site, are often devout Christians and usually pro-life, and disapprove of things like gay relationships (despite still wanting them to be legal).
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Quote from: Staff Sergeant Sean Dignam on December 21, 2011, 08:56:57 am
And frankly, considering his stances against imperialism and statist government, who gives a rat's ass if he's racist?
Unless he's living as a hermit, I do.
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Quote from: Averroës Nix on December 21, 2011, 07:35:30 pm
Quote from: Staff Sergeant Sean Dignam on December 21, 2011, 08:56:57 am
And frankly, considering his stances against imperialism and statist government, who gives a rat's ass if he's racist?
Unless he's living as a hermit, I do.
And that is your ultimate failing.
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Quote from: Staff Sergeant Sean Dignam on December 22, 2011, 04:46:01 am
Quote from: Averroës Nix on December 21, 2011, 07:35:30 pm
Quote from: Staff Sergeant Sean Dignam on December 21, 2011, 08:56:57 am
And frankly, considering his stances against imperialism and statist government, who gives a rat's ass if he's racist?
Unless he's living as a hermit, I do.
And that is your ultimate failing.
My ultimate failing is that I dislike racism?
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Quote from: Averroës Nix on December 22, 2011, 07:55:13 pm
Quote from: Staff Sergeant Sean Dignam on December 22, 2011, 04:46:01 am
Quote from: Averroës Nix on December 21, 2011, 07:35:30 pm
Quote from: Staff Sergeant Sean Dignam on December 21, 2011, 08:56:57 am
And frankly, considering his stances against imperialism and statist government, who gives a rat's ass if he's racist?
Unless he's living as a hermit, I do.
And that is your ultimate failing.
My ultimate failing is that I dislike racism?
I think what he is saying is your ultimate failing is that you view racism as worse than imperialism.
Of course one could make the case that U.S. imperialism is racist against Arabic people.
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