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Question: Who is the most moderate non-New England Senate Republican?
Murkowski (AK)   -30 (65.2%)
Lugar (IN)   -3 (6.5%)
Grassley (IA)   -2 (4.3%)
Heller (NV)   -0 (0%)
McCain (AZ)   -1 (2.2%)
Kirk (IL)   -7 (15.2%)
other (please specify)   -3 (6.5%)
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Total Voters: 46

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« on: December 17, 2011, 11:00:18 pm »
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It does seem to be Murkowski.
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 11:16:02 pm »
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I'll buck the trend and say Lugar, though Murky's a close second and Kirk's in third.
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 12:46:07 am »
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Murkowski, followed by Lugar and Kirk not necessarily in that order. The rest aren't 'moderate', they're just 'in more-or-less full possession of their mental faculties in some or many situations', which is much the same thing in the modern party.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 01:30:41 am »
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Murkowski. After her - Kirk and Lugar
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2011, 02:53:00 am »
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Murkowski, and this last election seems to have increased the number of times she bucks the party line. And if that's because she wants to throw some occasional middle fingers to the Republican leadership, you can't blame her, really.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2011, 12:26:22 pm »
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Murkowski, and this last election seems to have increased the number of times she bucks the party line. And if that's because she wants to throw some occasional middle fingers to the Republican leadership, you can't blame her, really.


Sure you can, she did a crappy enough job to lose in the primary.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2011, 12:49:48 pm »
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Remove vote-the-district stuff and Murkowski's special situation, and the answer may well be Thad Cochran.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2011, 12:57:59 pm »
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Lugar, but Lewis makes a good point about Cochran.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2011, 05:22:30 pm »
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Murkowski, and this last election seems to have increased the number of times she bucks the party line. And if that's because she wants to throw some occasional middle fingers to the Republican leadership, you can't blame her, really.


Sure you can, she did a crappy enough job to lose in the primary.

Fair enough; I should've said I personally can't really blame her. I know not everyone agrees with this, but to me, the results of the general quite justified her "sore loser" bid.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2011, 05:33:13 pm »
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Murkowski, and this last election seems to have increased the number of times she bucks the party line. And if that's because she wants to throw some occasional middle fingers to the Republican leadership, you can't blame her, really.


Sure you can, she did a crappy enough job to lose in the primary.

Would you say the same about Mike Castle, out of curiosity?

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2011, 06:06:47 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2011, 06:38:13 pm »
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Murkowski, and this last election seems to have increased the number of times she bucks the party line. And if that's because she wants to throw some occasional middle fingers to the Republican leadership, you can't blame her, really.


Sure you can, she did a crappy enough job to lose in the primary.

Would you say the same about Mike Castle, out of curiosity?

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Relative to his state's proclivities, Cochran is actually a definite possibility.

Castle was not an incumbent Senator.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2011, 07:31:26 pm »
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Murkowski, and this last election seems to have increased the number of times she bucks the party line. And if that's because she wants to throw some occasional middle fingers to the Republican leadership, you can't blame her, really.


Sure you can, she did a crappy enough job to lose in the primary.

Would you say the same about Mike Castle, out of curiosity?

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Relative to his state's proclivities, Cochran is actually a definite possibility.

Castle was not an incumbent Senator.

He was arguably the most prominent and certainly the most senior political figure in his state other than the incumbent Vice President of the United States. Castle and Murkowski lost their primaries in the same national political environment and in similar situations relative to expectations.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2011, 07:49:51 pm »
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It's worth noting that Castle, given his status as an At-Large Congressman, was in terms of statewide recognition and campaign staff the same as an incumbent Senator.  If anything, his seniority made him even better established than Murkowski; he was certainly more popular.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2011, 08:35:21 pm »
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Yeah, that's exactly why I don't think Murkowski losing her primary was evidence of incompetence on her part exactly (many things, but not incompetence per se) if Castle's wasn't.
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2011, 03:45:34 am »
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You guys are assuming voters do not understand there are differences between House and Senate races. I think the success of Tea Party candidates in House races compared to the success of Tea Party candidates in Senate races suggests otherwise.

Or, try this: do you think Castle would have lost a primary for his House seat if he had ran for reelection? I highly doubt that would have happened.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I don't think Murkowski losing her primary was evidence of incompetence on her part exactly (many things, but not incompetence per se) if Castle's wasn't.
It was, though (or maybe just not caring enough - it's a bit like he lost interest in the race once he understood he'd have to work for it). Probably more so than Murkowski's, who couldn't do anything about the albatross of her nepotist appointment as that's how most people first heard of her.
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2011, 05:31:12 am »
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Or, try this: do you think Castle would have lost a primary for his House seat if he had ran for reelection? I highly doubt that would have happened.

I think it would have been less likely but I wouldn't really have been notably more surprised than I was in the Senate race.

It was, though (or maybe just not caring enough - it's a bit like he lost interest in the race once he understood he'd have to work for it). Probably more so than Murkowski's, who couldn't do anything about the albatross of her nepotist appointment as that's how most people first heard of her.

Come to think of it, the 2004 Senate race was closer than is/was considered usual for Alaska as well, wasn't it?
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Come to think of it, the 2004 Senate race was closer than is/was considered usual for Alaska as well, wasn't it?
Of course. There's a reason the Dems ran Tony Knowles again - it was considered a possible pickup. Especially as daddy was going down in flames by then.
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Come to think of it, the 2004 Senate race was closer than is/was considered usual for Alaska as well, wasn't it?
Of course. There's a reason the Dems ran Tony Knowles again - it was considered a possible pickup. Especially as daddy was going down in flames by then.

I'm not certain I really want to know very much about Frank Murkowski considering that Sarah Palin was able to beat him in a primary.

Then again, one could easily say the same thing about Alaska in general.
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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2011, 10:06:29 am »
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Murkowski.

Cochran skews to the left of his state, but he still votes with the Republicans on pretty much everything.
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