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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2011, 05:05:03 pm »
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Quote from: Minion of Midas on December 19, 2011, 05:01:31 pm
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I hardly think Attlee was judge, jury and prosecutor in this trial you know.
... and he wasn't Prime Minister either.

It was also an evil soshulist government that legalized homosexuality in Britain.
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2011, 06:14:21 pm »
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What on earth is wormyguy talking about? Does anyone know? Huh
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2011, 06:22:59 pm »
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Best PM of the 20th century. Yes, that includes Winston.

That goes without saying really.
I don't think Churchill's brain ever arrived in the 20th century.

The brain wasn't so much the problem (not that it wasn't the problem), his heart on the other hand.. just attached to the sort of ridiculous imperalist jingoism and anglocentrism that seemed parodic in the 1920s never mind later. Most people forget about that due to him making a good prediction about some German guy wanting to take over Europe...

Wormyguy is talking nonsense as always.
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... and that, by the way, is also one of the reasons why none of Eric Hobsbawm's books has been turned into a succesful Broadway musical so far.
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2011, 07:35:44 pm »
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It's known that Attlee avoided appointing people he knew to be active homosexuals* to his Cabinet when when they were obviously talented enough (Oliver Baldwin - Stanley Baldwin's son bizarrely enough - is one example), but it's not clear whether that was because of homophobia or a desire to avoid scandal. That's all that comes to mind, other than the HLRS business.

*Obvious closet cases like Hugh Dalton were another matter.
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2011, 07:39:28 pm »
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Quote from: Oakvale on December 19, 2011, 06:14:21 pm
What on earth is wormyguy talking about? Does anyone know? Huh

Presumably he's assuming that Attlee was personally and absolutely responsible for the popular belief in 1950s Britain of a link between Communism and homosexuality, which is one of the things that led to most police forces taking the law on homosexuality much more seriously than before.
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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2011, 12:50:59 am »
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Quote from: Oakvale on December 19, 2011, 06:14:21 pm
What on earth is wormyguy talking about? Does anyone know? Huh

It looks like a flimsy attempt at character assassination, when his real beef with Attlee is because of his actual policies; namely them being socialist.
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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2011, 05:23:09 am »
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Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on December 19, 2011, 07:39:28 pm
Quote from: Oakvale on December 19, 2011, 06:14:21 pm
What on earth is wormyguy talking about? Does anyone know? Huh

Presumably he's assuming that Attlee was personally and absolutely responsible for the popular belief in 1950s Britain of a link between Communism and homosexuality, which is one of the things that led to most police forces taking the law on homosexuality much more seriously than before.

They actually did? Oh. Kinda like Germany in the 30s then? Tongue
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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2011, 01:46:42 pm »
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Quote from: Pensando en volver on December 19, 2011, 06:22:59 pm
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Best PM of the 20th century. Yes, that includes Winston.

That goes without saying really.
I don't think Churchill's brain ever arrived in the 20th century.

The brain wasn't so much the problem (not that it wasn't the problem), his heart on the other hand.. just attached to the sort of ridiculous imperalist jingoism and anglocentrism that seemed parodic in the 1920s never mind later. Most people forget about that due to him making a good prediction about some German guy wanting to take over Europe...

Wormyguy is talking nonsense as always.

Amritsar did happen in the 1920s, so even then the greater portion of the media and (presumably) populace were firmly on the side of the parodic.
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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2011, 03:13:37 pm »
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Quote from: Pensando en volver on December 19, 2011, 06:22:59 pm
Quote from: Minion of Midas on December 19, 2011, 09:28:02 am
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Best PM of the 20th century. Yes, that includes Winston.

That goes without saying really.
I don't think Churchill's brain ever arrived in the 20th century.

The brain wasn't so much the problem (not that it wasn't the problem), his heart on the other hand.. just attached to the sort of ridiculous imperalist jingoism and anglocentrism that seemed parodic in the 1920s never mind later. Most people forget about that due to him making a good prediction about some German guy wanting to take over Europe...

Wormyguy is talking nonsense as always.

Amritsar did happen in the 1920s, so even then the greater portion of the media and (presumably) populace were firmly on the side of the parodic.

Most of the populace would have struggled to find India on a map...
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2011, 08:40:08 pm »
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Churchill was a great wartime leader. His personality fit one better than Attlee would have and he got along very well with Roosevelt (not that Attlee wouldn't have). I give Winston credit for that.

But Attlee was the best of the 20th century, bar none. But compared to a lot of his competition, excepting Churchill, Wilson and LG, he might have been the only competent one.
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