Will you vote for Obama if he signs SOPA into law?

[Lief 🗽]

Inks, there's no evidence that piracy (I don't use the word stealing because nothing is being stolen and I use the word piracy because pirates are awesome) is actually negatively impacting ABC's (or anyone else's) profits or its incentives to make new content. SOPA is addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2011/12/15/the_non_problem_of_online_piracy.html

[Antonio the Sixth]

Of course I'd be extremely disappointed if he signs this, but let's face it, not voting for him because of that would be silly.

[minionofmidas]

No, I wouldn't even if he vetoed it, unless he granted me American citizenship first.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Any chance the pornographic industry could utilize this bill to take down like 90% of porn sites hosted in the US?

Jared Polis offered an amendment to make SOPA not apply to porn today, but the porn industry hacks in the House defeated it.

Out of curiosity, who are the "porn industry hacks" in the House? Democrats from Southern California?

Interestingly, of the twelve initial co-sponsors of the bill, four were in fact from Southern California.

Elton Gallegly (Simi Valley)
Howard Berman (North Hollywood)
Mary Bono Mack (Palm Springs)
Adam Schiff (Burbank)

They have since been joined by fellow southern Californians Joe Baca (Rialto), Karen Bass (Los Angeles), Judy Chu (Monterey Park), and Brad Sherman (Sherman Oaks).


As far as porn is concerned, 90% of it is produced in San Fernando Valley. Howard Berman's, Adam Schiff's, and Brad Sherman's congressional districts are located in the Valley.

[Niemeyerite]

I'm against piracy. I've never downloaded films/music/whatever for free. I respect artists and I believe what Inks. said: Piracy will destroy culture.

So, I won't vote for Obama because I can't. But in the case I could vote, I'd vote for him if he signed "SOPA".

[Peeperkorn]

I'm against piracy. I've never downloaded films/music/whatever for free. I respect artists and I believe what Inks. said: Piracy will destroy culture.

So, I won't vote for Obama because I can't. But in the case I could vote, I'd vote for him if he signed "SOPA".

So you support the ley sinde?

[Niemeyerite]

I'm against piracy. I've never downloaded films/music/whatever for free. I respect artists and I believe what Inks. said: Piracy will destroy culture.

So, I won't vote for Obama because I can't. But in the case I could vote, I'd vote for him if he signed "SOPA".

So you support the ley sinde?

I don't like Sinde (Sinde and Miguel Sebastian were the only Zapatero's ministers I didn't like, I think), and that law is really unpopular here. But yes, I support the Ley Sinde.

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm against piracy. I've never downloaded films/music/whatever for free. I respect artists and I believe what Inks. said: Piracy will destroy culture.

So, I won't vote for Obama because I can't. But in the case I could vote, I'd vote for him if he signed "SOPA".

I'm not sure what respecting the artists has to do with this.

[Free Palestine]

Inks, there's no evidence that piracy (I don't use the word stealing because nothing is being stolen and I use the word piracy because pirates are awesome) is actually negatively impacting ABC's (or anyone else's) profits or its incentives to make new content. SOPA is addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2011/12/15/the_non_problem_of_online_piracy.html

And it wouldn't matter to me otherwise.  I'd love to see the music and movie industries collapse.

[Peeperkorn]

I'm against piracy. I've never downloaded films/music/whatever for free. I respect artists and I believe what Inks. said: Piracy will destroy culture.

So, I won't vote for Obama because I can't. But in the case I could vote, I'd vote for him if he signed "SOPA".

So you support the ley sinde?

I don't like Sinde (Sinde and Miguel Sebastian were the only Zapatero's ministers I didn't like, I think), and that law is really unpopular here. But yes, I support the Ley Sinde.

You're a disgusting person. Or you forget this forum would be forbidden according to your new laws?

Just because they reproduce articles without asking their authors.

Shame on you.

Shame!!!

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

When you refuse to participate in file sharing, you aren't helping out the artists. You're helping out the music labels and media companies (the lion's share of profits don't go to bands or film makers) and destroying your chances of experiencing a really wide range of music (unless you're upper middle class). I buy music but file sharing is a great tool that lets me listen to it a few times to see if it's actually worth the purchase.

Forcing change upon these dinosaurs through file sharing alone makes it worth it.

[Free Palestine]

When you refuse to participate in file sharing, you aren't helping out the artists. You're helping out the music labels and media companies (the lion's share of profits don't go to bands or film makers) and destroying your chances of experiencing a really wide range of music (unless you're upper middle class). I buy music but file sharing is a great tool that lets me listen to it a few times to see if it's actually worth the purchase.

Forcing change upon these dinosaurs through file sharing alone makes it worth it.

And it's not like groups will go extinct if everyone illegally downloads -- the good ones won't, anyways.  A lot of groups make a lot of their money from touring or selling merchandise.

[Phony Moderate]

Interesting that this thread has lasted five pages.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

When you refuse to participate in file sharing, you aren't helping out the artists. You're helping out the music labels and media companies (the lion's share of profits don't go to bands or film makers) and destroying your chances of experiencing a really wide range of music (unless you're upper middle class). I buy music but file sharing is a great tool that lets me listen to it a few times to see if it's actually worth the purchase.

Forcing change upon these dinosaurs through file sharing alone makes it worth it.

And it's not like groups will go extinct if everyone illegally downloads -- the good ones won't, anyways.  A lot of groups make a lot of their money from touring or selling merchandise.

Yeah, if anything illegal downloading in the long run will help bands because it could create a new business model that's more optimal for the producers (who in all honesty don't need record companies or media to push their product anymore) and that relies more on more innovative ways of finding revenue.

The vast majority of bands aren't angry at people who illegally download, they participate in it themselves.

[Simfan34]

I'm against piracy. I've never downloaded films/music/whatever for free. I respect artists and I believe what Inks. said: Piracy will destroy culture.

So, I won't vote for Obama because I can't. But in the case I could vote, I'd vote for him if he signed "SOPA".

Something we agree on! Hurray!

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Is the anti-piracy crowd even going to attempt to defend their views here?

[Iosif]

Is the anti-piracy crowd even going to attempt to defend their views here?

What a strange sentence.

[opebo]

Lor' this f'rum's become rat-wing ain't it boys?

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Is the anti-piracy crowd even going to attempt to defend their views here?

What a strange sentence.

Thanks.

[Free Palestine]

People who support SOPA really should go to the doctor and get a test to see if they have that brain-eating amoeba.

Seriously, do any of you fidgets know what the frikkin bill will do?  There's no way a sane person who doesn't support fascism could support that bill.

[Simfan34]

Again with this "fascism". Unless this bill supports the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and family policy, led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions, it isn't fascism.

[bgwah]

Lor' this f'rum's become rat-wing ain't it boys?

Yeah, 35% say they would vote for the right-wing President anyway...

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Again with this "fascism". Unless this bill supports the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and family policy, led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions, it isn't fascism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diction

Fascism stopped becoming a term for specific right-wing movements a long time ago, dude.

[Free Palestine]

Again with this "fascism". Unless this bill supports the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and family policy, led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions, it isn't fascism.

Well, putting up a PRC-esque firewall and forcing ISPs to block any sites that the government doesn't like sure does smack of fascism.  Totally f-cking over the whole "due process" thing, too, smacks of fascism.

[Penelope]

Piracy is lost sales. Not stealing.

Again with this "fascism". Unless this bill supports the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and family policy, led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions, it isn't fascism.

Comparisons are being drawn to fascism, because the bill gives the right to censor and shut down websites for nebulous reasons that are not really explained - "hosting illegal content". Comparisons are also being drawn to fascism because there is no due process for this. It basically gives the government the right to shut down a website on a whim. 

Saying that piracy will destroy culture is like saying bootleg videotapes will culture. Oh wait they haven't. Piracy and bootlegging has been going on for decades and the entertainment industry has not been completely torn apart and culture has not fallen into disarray. Well, maybe you don't like the guys who are popular in music or acting right now, but I'm pretty sure people aren't cannibalizing each other in the streets and burning down buildings because piracy has cost the entertainment industry sales.