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Tetro Kornbluth
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« on: December 20, 2011, 06:57:53 AM »

The blog to read is here:

http://esbalogh.typepad.com/

Yeah, I've been following this for a while. Really worrying.
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 04:50:34 PM »

The problem is that MSZP have basically collapsed as an organized entity... iirc polls have them behind or level with Jobbik.

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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 05:11:01 PM »

The problem is that MSZP have basically collapsed as an organized entity... iirc polls have them behind or level with Jobbik.

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Yeah, their credibility took a huge hit for obvious reasons. And, for obvious reasons, it's harder for a postcommunist party to recover credibility than a normal social democratic party. So while they don't seem to have fallen any further, discontented voters seem to be moving towards... urgh.

You're saying that saying "We have lied morning, noon, and night" is bad for a party's credibility?  Huh

That's far from the only reason...

I note that, unnoticed to the rest of the world, the Hungarian government went to the IMF requiring assistance about a month ago.
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 05:15:07 PM »

The problem is that MSZP have basically collapsed as an organized entity... iirc polls have them behind or level with Jobbik.

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Is it due to Fidesz' policies, or did they just kill themselves ?

Self-suicide and economic crash of 2008 (which hit Hungary very hard). Plus as Al pointed out the MSZP is a "post-communist" party and so has all the baggage that goes with that and as post-1989 East European politics has shown, ex-commie parties even reformed as the most neo-liberal social democrat, can fall pretty hard if things go wrong.

@Belgiansocialist: Have you seen post about the "art of the new constitution"... that says everything really.
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 05:24:53 PM »



You mean, like this?

Here's more government sponsored art - Shall we call it "Orbanic Surrealism": http://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungarianspectrum/2011/11/horror-fourteen-pictures-to-accompany-the-new-hungarian-basic-laws.html
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 07:37:38 AM »

I was unaware that fascism was considered center-right. Thank you for informing me.

Considering that Jobbik is not in the coalition, I'd still call it center-right.

J.J. does the absence of logic in your posts sometimes irritate you. I mean I understand the desire to be illogical, but does it ever irritate you?
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