opebo vs. Christopher Hitchens

[Insula Dei]

No such thing as an ex-catholic. Go read Brideshead Revisited.

[So the Heroes Fall]

No such thing as an ex-catholic. Go read Brideshead Revisited.

I was going to talk about how one of the associate pastors at my church was raised Catholic and obviously isn't now (and this is no surprise considering how the Catholic Church thinks of women in ministry, she wouldn't have many options staying there) but then I remembered the best example ever discussed here: opebo was actually raised Catholic nominally. Is opebo a Catholic? LOL.

[Torie]

Well there is always ex-communication, but one needs to be high profile to manage to be considered for that "honor."  Just like hell, ex-communication these days has about as much vitality as the 9th Amendment.

[oakvale]

I'm not religious in the slightest and have no spiritual beliefs, but I was raised Catholic and thus will be a Catholic forever. To quote Dara O' Briain (comedian) - "I'm staunchly atheist, I simply don’t believe in God. But I'm still Catholic, of course".

[Grumps]

The one who hasn't posted a what's for dinner update in ages.

[TJ in Wisco]

opebo/Hitchens I guess.

I think I would prefer dysentery given that as a third option.

[opebo]

The one who hasn't posted a what's for dinner update in ages.

I just posted on there less than a week ago!  You're the one who's been absent, buddy.

Who did you mean anyway?

[Grumps]

The one who hasn't posted a what's for dinner update in ages.

I just posted on there less than a week ago!  You're the one who's been absent, buddy.

Who did you mean anyway?

I meant you.  And you're right!  My fault.  I'll check 

[Gustaf]

Hitchens was a useless joke of a "journalist".

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You're aware that Opebo agrees with all of those as well (although he might not have favoured the Iraq war he does favour general bombing of Muslims).

Gee, no I didn't know opebo was an atheist. Thanks for informing me!

opebo has praised Muslims for killing US troops and condemned CIA torturers and supports closing Guantanamo, so the other statement isn't correct.

And of course, he's a lot less entertaining or witty than Hitchens.

LOL hardly. Hitchens reminds me of the old Einzige, opebo is funny.

I was under the assumption that becoming a Communist, especially a Trotskyite, was joining the Catholic Church, once in you can't really leave...

Uh, that's hardly true. I know a lot of ex-Catholics.

See, this is why people think you have no sense of humour.

And to think the second statement is incorrect you must have missed Opebo's views on Libya and Egypt.

I know concepts beyond EMO SUBURB OPEBO are difficult for you to grasp, but give it a try. One can like to kill a group of people without necessarily being opposed to killing another group of people. Chew on it for a while, pray a little and maybe you'll see the light.

[opebo]

And to think the second statement is incorrect you must have missed Opebo's views on Libya and Egypt.

In those cases I was rooting for some Muslims to bomb other Muslims, Gustaf.  I never proposed the outsider bomb them.

[Gustaf]

And to think the second statement is incorrect you must have missed Opebo's views on Libya and Egypt.

In those cases I was rooting for some Muslims to bomb other Muslims, Gustaf.  I never proposed the outsider bomb them.

You think it's ok to bomb people as long as the right people are throwing the bombs? That seems quite arbitrary. The man behind the bomb makes no difference to the chap being blown up, no matter what fancy words you use.

[So the Heroes Fall]

I'm not religious in the slightest and have no spiritual beliefs, but I was raised Catholic and thus will be a Catholic forever. To quote Dara O' Briain (comedian) - "I'm staunchly atheist, I simply don’t believe in God. But I'm still Catholic, of course".

That's nonsense. I refuse to think that way or consider that a valid viewpoint in honor of all those raised Catholic in my church and general tradition who have now decided to follow Jesus and not religion. They are not Catholic. Neither is opebo.

Hitchens was a useless joke of a "journalist".

HAR HAR CHRISTIANS SUCK THERE IS NO GOD LOLZ

HAR HAR BOMB IRAQ

HAR HAR TORTURE IS AWESOME

You're aware that Opebo agrees with all of those as well (although he might not have favoured the Iraq war he does favour general bombing of Muslims).

Gee, no I didn't know opebo was an atheist. Thanks for informing me!

opebo has praised Muslims for killing US troops and condemned CIA torturers and supports closing Guantanamo, so the other statement isn't correct.

And of course, he's a lot less entertaining or witty than Hitchens.

LOL hardly. Hitchens reminds me of the old Einzige, opebo is funny.

I was under the assumption that becoming a Communist, especially a Trotskyite, was joining the Catholic Church, once in you can't really leave...

Uh, that's hardly true. I know a lot of ex-Catholics.

See, this is why people think you have no sense of humour.

And to think the second statement is incorrect you must have missed Opebo's views on Libya and Egypt.

I know concepts beyond EMO SUBURB OPEBO are difficult for you to grasp, but give it a try. One can like to kill a group of people without necessarily being opposed to killing another group of people. Chew on it for a while, pray a little and maybe you'll see the light.

No the point is that if opebo approved of that then he would support American soldiers killing Muslims, not the other way around. So you can't compare opebo's view here to Hitchens' neocon imperialist support.

[So the Heroes Fall]

Why do most people think Hitchens would win?

Hitchens had a reputation as a strong atheist that turned most people off. opebo is just a random guy who doesn't believe in God.

[opebo]

I'm not religious in the slightest and have no spiritual beliefs, but I was raised Catholic and thus will be a Catholic forever. To quote Dara O' Briain (comedian) - "I'm staunchly atheist, I simply don’t believe in God. But I'm still Catholic, of course".

Was Hitchens a Catholic?  I was sort of very vaguely raised that way but I really don't think of myself as one of those ex Catholics - I mean, we weren't Irish or ethnic or anything like that, and more than half the family were Protestants.  I never met any single person who knew or cared anything about the religion, and I was only in parochial school for maybe two years to avoid getting picked on by the thugs in public school junior high. 

Its hard to say.  I mean, I do still have some lingering feeling that Protestantism (other than Episcopalianism) is somehow ridiculous, but  I've never identified with the Catholic Church in any way.  I don't think my upbringing was sufficiently Catholic to have 'made me Catholic'.

[Gustaf]

I'm not religious in the slightest and have no spiritual beliefs, but I was raised Catholic and thus will be a Catholic forever. To quote Dara O' Briain (comedian) - "I'm staunchly atheist, I simply don’t believe in God. But I'm still Catholic, of course".

That's nonsense. I refuse to think that way or consider that a valid viewpoint in honor of all those raised Catholic in my church and general tradition who have now decided to follow Jesus and not religion. They are not Catholic. Neither is opebo.

Hitchens was a useless joke of a "journalist".

HAR HAR CHRISTIANS SUCK THERE IS NO GOD LOLZ

HAR HAR BOMB IRAQ

HAR HAR TORTURE IS AWESOME

You're aware that Opebo agrees with all of those as well (although he might not have favoured the Iraq war he does favour general bombing of Muslims).

Gee, no I didn't know opebo was an atheist. Thanks for informing me!

opebo has praised Muslims for killing US troops and condemned CIA torturers and supports closing Guantanamo, so the other statement isn't correct.

And of course, he's a lot less entertaining or witty than Hitchens.

LOL hardly. Hitchens reminds me of the old Einzige, opebo is funny.

I was under the assumption that becoming a Communist, especially a Trotskyite, was joining the Catholic Church, once in you can't really leave...

Uh, that's hardly true. I know a lot of ex-Catholics.

See, this is why people think you have no sense of humour.

And to think the second statement is incorrect you must have missed Opebo's views on Libya and Egypt.

I know concepts beyond EMO SUBURB OPEBO are difficult for you to grasp, but give it a try. One can like to kill a group of people without necessarily being opposed to killing another group of people. Chew on it for a while, pray a little and maybe you'll see the light.

No the point is that if opebo approved of that then he would support American soldiers killing Muslims, not the other way around. So you can't compare opebo's view here to Hitchens' neocon imperialist support.

Not even a try?

Ah, well, maybe I overestimated you. Never mind then.

[opebo]

Not even a try?

Ah, well, maybe I overestimated you. Never mind then.

I think what you overestimated may have been his appetite for reading all those quotes.  Why don't you concisely summarize your points for us - we are busy people and don't have time to read confused ramblings.

[Gustaf]

Not even a try?

Ah, well, maybe I overestimated you. Never mind then.

I think what you overestimated may have been his appetite for reading all those quotes.  Why don't you concisely summarize your points for us - we are busy people and don't have time to read confused ramblings.

No, you're not and since you read each other so approvingly that obviously is not your preference.

Regardless, most of that text was his. Why would I sum it up for him? I only provided a few lines.

[© Tweed the Younger]

Hitchens was a useless joke of a "journalist".

HAR HAR CHRISTIANS SUCK THERE IS NO GOD LOLZ

HAR HAR BOMB IRAQ

HAR HAR TORTURE IS AWESOME

didn't Hitchens renounce support of torture after he was waterboarded?

The problematic part is that he had to be waterboarded before he'd renounce support of torture.

I thought that was Michael Savage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

[Gustaf]

Hitchens was a useless joke of a "journalist".

HAR HAR CHRISTIANS SUCK THERE IS NO GOD LOLZ

HAR HAR BOMB IRAQ

HAR HAR TORTURE IS AWESOME

didn't Hitchens renounce support of torture after he was waterboarded?

The problematic part is that he had to be waterboarded before he'd renounce support of torture.

I thought that was Michael Savage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

Ah, my bad then. I must have mixed them up.

[So the Heroes Fall]

I'm not religious in the slightest and have no spiritual beliefs, but I was raised Catholic and thus will be a Catholic forever. To quote Dara O' Briain (comedian) - "I'm staunchly atheist, I simply don’t believe in God. But I'm still Catholic, of course".

That's nonsense. I refuse to think that way or consider that a valid viewpoint in honor of all those raised Catholic in my church and general tradition who have now decided to follow Jesus and not religion. They are not Catholic. Neither is opebo.

Hitchens was a useless joke of a "journalist".

HAR HAR CHRISTIANS SUCK THERE IS NO GOD LOLZ

HAR HAR BOMB IRAQ

HAR HAR TORTURE IS AWESOME

You're aware that Opebo agrees with all of those as well (although he might not have favoured the Iraq war he does favour general bombing of Muslims).

Gee, no I didn't know opebo was an atheist. Thanks for informing me!

opebo has praised Muslims for killing US troops and condemned CIA torturers and supports closing Guantanamo, so the other statement isn't correct.

And of course, he's a lot less entertaining or witty than Hitchens.

LOL hardly. Hitchens reminds me of the old Einzige, opebo is funny.

I was under the assumption that becoming a Communist, especially a Trotskyite, was joining the Catholic Church, once in you can't really leave...

Uh, that's hardly true. I know a lot of ex-Catholics.

See, this is why people think you have no sense of humour.

And to think the second statement is incorrect you must have missed Opebo's views on Libya and Egypt.

I know concepts beyond EMO SUBURB OPEBO are difficult for you to grasp, but give it a try. One can like to kill a group of people without necessarily being opposed to killing another group of people. Chew on it for a while, pray a little and maybe you'll see the light.

No the point is that if opebo approved of that then he would support American soldiers killing Muslims, not the other way around. So you can't compare opebo's view here to Hitchens' neocon imperialist support.

Not even a try?

Ah, well, maybe I overestimated you. Never mind then.

Try to do what? To understand things?

My point is that if opebo thought the way you claim he does, he'd be on the side of American soldiers killing Muslims, not the other way around.

[CathKhan]

Hitchens/Hitchens, & I didn't even know who the guy was until yesterday when I read a Newsweek article.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Why do most people think Hitchens would win?

Hitchens had a reputation as a strong atheist that turned most people off. opebo is just a random guy who doesn't believe in God.

They're both atheists, yes, but opebo is the far greater evil and would "turn most people off" 10 times more.

[opebo]

opebo is the far greater evil.

Well I suppose I should feel flattered.. but talk about excessive hyperbole (remember that one?).

[Gustaf]

I'm not religious in the slightest and have no spiritual beliefs, but I was raised Catholic and thus will be a Catholic forever. To quote Dara O' Briain (comedian) - "I'm staunchly atheist, I simply don’t believe in God. But I'm still Catholic, of course".

That's nonsense. I refuse to think that way or consider that a valid viewpoint in honor of all those raised Catholic in my church and general tradition who have now decided to follow Jesus and not religion. They are not Catholic. Neither is opebo.

Hitchens was a useless joke of a "journalist".

HAR HAR CHRISTIANS SUCK THERE IS NO GOD LOLZ

HAR HAR BOMB IRAQ

HAR HAR TORTURE IS AWESOME

You're aware that Opebo agrees with all of those as well (although he might not have favoured the Iraq war he does favour general bombing of Muslims).

Gee, no I didn't know opebo was an atheist. Thanks for informing me!

opebo has praised Muslims for killing US troops and condemned CIA torturers and supports closing Guantanamo, so the other statement isn't correct.

And of course, he's a lot less entertaining or witty than Hitchens.

LOL hardly. Hitchens reminds me of the old Einzige, opebo is funny.

I was under the assumption that becoming a Communist, especially a Trotskyite, was joining the Catholic Church, once in you can't really leave...

Uh, that's hardly true. I know a lot of ex-Catholics.

See, this is why people think you have no sense of humour.

And to think the second statement is incorrect you must have missed Opebo's views on Libya and Egypt.

I know concepts beyond EMO SUBURB OPEBO are difficult for you to grasp, but give it a try. One can like to kill a group of people without necessarily being opposed to killing another group of people. Chew on it for a while, pray a little and maybe you'll see the light.

No the point is that if opebo approved of that then he would support American soldiers killing Muslims, not the other way around. So you can't compare opebo's view here to Hitchens' neocon imperialist support.

Not even a try?

Ah, well, maybe I overestimated you. Never mind then.

Try to do what? To understand things?

My point is that if opebo thought the way you claim he does, he'd be on the side of American soldiers killing Muslims, not the other way around.

I wouldn't really call it a point, but let's roll with it. It's wrong, as I explained above. Now, try and think about it.