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« on: December 21, 2011, 05:41:38 pm »
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I realize this may scare many of you $h*tless but this is a TL that I've had fermenting for a while.  So without further ado, I give you dystopia:

"To you my friends I say segregation today, segregation tomorrow, but NOT* segregation forever!" [cheers]

*The POD.

"Governor Wallace, many have attacked your campaign as radical and out-of-touch with middle America.  How do you respond?"

"Well Senator Humphery and Governor Rockefeller have been strong advocates of more of the same.  We've had this same leadership for the past eight years.  I ask you now: are you better off than you were eight years ago?  Are your streets more quiet, do you feel safer in your neighborhood than you did eight years ago?  If you answer yes, you can pick either of the two candidates seated beside me.  But if you answered no, [smiles], than I have a suggestion for you to vote for."  This is seen as a knockout punch, and Governor Rockefeller wrote in his autobiography "that was the moment when I knew I had lost the election."

George Wallace (AIP-AL) / Gov. Happy Chandler (AIP-KY) - 40.7% Popular vote, 304 EVs
New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) / Margaret Chase-Smith (R-ME) - 31.6% PV, 191 EVs
Vice President Hubert H. Humphery (D-MN) / Sen. Edmund Muskie (D-ME) - 27.9% PV, 43 EVs


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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 06:00:38 pm »
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United States House of Representatives elections, 1968:

GOP: 229 (+32)
Dem: 199 (-39)
AIP: 7 (+7) (several defections from Southern Democrats)

Incumbent Speaker: John McCormack
Speaker-elect: Gerald Ford - supported by the AIP

Senate elections, 1968:

GOP: 47 (+9) - includes Barry Goldwater Jr. of CA
Dem: 51 (-11)
AIP: 2 (+2) - Harry F. Byrd joins the AIP, making a total of 3 AIP members and 50 Dem senators

Incumbent Majority Leader: Mike Mansfield (D-MT)
Majority Leader-elect: Mike Mansfield

Minority Leader: Evrett Dirksen (R-IL)

The Cabinet of President George Wallace:

President: George Wallace
Vice President: Happy Chandler
Secretary of State: Ronald Reagan
Secretary of Defense: Barry Goldwater
Secretary of the Treasury: William F. Buckley
Federal Reserve Chairman: Paul Volcker
Attorney General: William Rehnquist

"The first order of business was to appoint a new Chief Justice and Associate Justice; I like both Robert Bork and Rehnquist, but because of Bork's lack of executive experience I made Rehnquist Chief Justice..."

- The Unintended Presidency, by George Wallace

03-11-1969: President Wallace sends 20,000 troops to North Vietnam to begin the invasion of Hanoi.  Though mildly unpopular, with many hippies energized by the new president, popular unrest is at an all-time high.

04-09-1969: President Wallace resumes bombing in North Vietnam.

05-17-1969: President Wallace is shot by hippy protesters, and fingers his revolver as if to shoot back.  He is then shoved into his motorcade and driven away quickly.  However, He is all right, and popular support for the hippy movement disintegrates over night as the President's approval rating skyrockets to 61%
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 06:02:34 pm »
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United States House of Representatives elections, 1968:

GOP: 229 (+32)
Dem: 199 (-39)
AIP: 7 (+7) (several defections from Southern Democrats)

Incumbent Speaker: John McCormack
Speaker-elect: Gerald Ford - supported by the AIP

The Cabinet of President George Wallace:

President: George Wallace
Vice President: Happy Chandler
Secretary of State: Ronald Reagan
Secretary of Defense: Barry Goldwater
Secretary of the Treasury: William F. Buckley
Federal Reserve Chairman: Paul Volcker
Attorney General: William Rehnquist

"The first order of business was to appoint a new Chief Justice and Associate Justice; I like both Robert Bork and Rehnquist, but because of Bork's lack of executive experience I made Rehnquist Chief Justice..."

- The Unintended Presidency, by George Wallace

03-11-1969: President Wallace sends 20,000 troops to North Vietnam to begin the invasion of Hanoi.  Though mildly unpopular, with many hippies energized by the new president, popular unrest is at an all-time high.

04-09-1969: President Wallace resumes bombing in North Vietnam.

05-17-1969: President Wallace is shot by hippy protesters, and pulls out his revolver and begins shooting back.  He is all right, and popular support for the hippy movement disintegrates over night as the President's approval rating skyrockets to 61%
Sorry. That line was a deal buster ;(
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Why's that.?  Too unrealistic?
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Why's that.?  Too unrealistic?

If this was written in the same vain as either a Chuck Norris or Steven Seagal film, it would be acceptable. 
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Why's that.?  Too unrealistic?

If this was written in the same vain as either a Chuck Norris or Steven Seagal film, it would be acceptable. 

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05-12-1969: President Wallace meets with former Governor Richard Nixon (R-CA) and his successor, Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA) as well as Senator William Knowland (R-CA).  All insist that he make a speech outlining his strategy towards communism; Knowland insisted that he be careful with rhetoric and distinguish the candidate from the president, while Nixon and Reagan insist on a strong strategy against communism; both outline that in order to take down the Soviet Union, he must first pit them against communist China.  Nixon insists that if he pits them against their communist neighbor.  However, Nixon also stresses that he visit China and open up relations with them, while Reagan argues "That will give them the idea that we pick our allies based on what the situation calls for.  Then we'll come off as backhanded and sneaky."  Wallace will continue to meet with the three men throughout his presidency, and will put China on the back burner for now.

06-13-1969: President Wallace meets with Reagan in private on how to deliver a tax cut with the still Democratic senate.  Reagan stresses that there can be compromise but that at the end of the day it must be his agenda that they use; Wallace is clearly confused, so Reagan elaborates "There is no limit to what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit."
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07-25-1969: President Wallace visits with Soviet Premier Brezhnev; very little is accomplished, however this is just a press stunt for both of them.  There is still a great deal of time to do more, and President Wallace looks forward "To finally being able to tell that commie jackass 'nyet,' a word that likely isn't in his vocabulary."

09-12-1969: President Wallace and Secretary of Defense Barry Goldwater sit down in the Oval Office, and discuss the ramifications of his troop commitment in Vietnam.  Barry tells the President that "We need to end the draft, but the numbers just don't seem to allow it."  "Well then we'll put it off a little longer," is President Wallace's response.

12-24-1969: On Christmas Eve, the Senate passes the Kemp-Thurmond tax cut, which will cut the top tax rate to 47% and re-organize the tax code into an easy-to-understand 5-bracket system.  To pay for this, welfare, the minimum wage, and medicaid will be eliminated, replaced with a negative income tax.
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Wallace was a Populist & certainly wouldn't favor cutting taxes for the rich.
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Wallace was a Populist & certainly wouldn't favor cutting taxes for the rich.

He was a right-wing Populist; according to the telegraph in 1972: "....by demanding tax cuts for middle-income groups, Wallace was able to win a dramatic victory in the Florida [Democratic] primary [in 1972]."

Thanks for the advice though; it helps me make sure I have my facts right Smiley
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02-15-1970: President Wallace and Soviet Premier Brezhnev meet in Reykjavik, Iceland for a nuclear weapons summit.  Wallace proposes a "Strategic Defense Initiative" - a nuclear defense system far ahead of its time, it will feature nuclear missile interceptors which will literally be capable of blasting nuclear weapons right out of the sky.  It will be completed by 1992.

04-17-1970: Apollo 13 lands on the moon.  President Wallace places the longest-distance phone call ever recorded to the Apollo astronauts, thanking them for this historic achievement on behalf of all Americans.

04-27-1970: President Wallace proposes an increase in NASA funds and a cabinet reorganization.  Both will pass the conservative-dominated Congress which will ensure that the United States maintains its lead over the Soviet Union in space technology; this ambitious program will ensure a lunar base by 1980, SDI completion by 1995 and a Mars Mission by 200.
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08-12-1970: Senate AIP leader proposes a national-level merger with the United States GOP to form a Conservative Party; this draws praise from the brothers Buckley, James and Bill, who are running for senator and governor respectively on the Conservative Party NY ticket in this election year.  Both parties send representatives to form a committee and begin negotiations.  Though the committee fails to finalize any form of merger, it sparks debate throughout the nation and will continue to meet for some time.

09-23-1970: North Vietnam surrenders to the United States.  President Wallace announces that the war and the draft are now officially at an end.  By the end of the year 65% of American troops are scheduled to leave Vietnam.
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Election Night 1970: the AIP makes major gains in Congress, mostly at the expense of southern Democrats.  Both Buckley brothers win their respective elections.

United States House of Representatives elections, 1970:

Republican: 237 (+8)
Democratic: 161 (-38)
American Independent Party: 26 (+19)
Conservative Party of New York: 11 (+11)

Incumbent Speaker: Gerald R. Ford
Speaker-elect: Gerald R. Ford

United States Senate elections, 1970:

Republican: 52 (+5)
Democratic: 37 (-14)
American Independent Party: 11 (+8)
Conservative Party: 1 (+1) - James Buckley, who will caucus with the AIP and the GOP, and along with AIP leader Harry Byrd, will spearhead the movement for a national Conservative Party

Majority Leader: Mike Mansfield
Majority Leader-elect: Howard Baker

After much barnstorming from President Wallace, the Southern vote has mostly converted AIP, and thanks to the Conservative Party of New York, which is unofficially the northeastern counterpart to the AIP.  President Wallace gave his private support, kept private thanks to the persuasion of Bill Buckley, who was afraid that the president’s southern image would turn off moderate voters in liberal New York.
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With the his agenda solidified by the national election results and much of his domestic agenda accomplished, and with the ending war in Vietnam, President Wallace will now turn to the Soviet Union and offer his private support for the national Conservative Party.

02-19-1971: The bipartisan Committee continues to deliberate on the merger of the GOP and the AIP.  Finally, by a voice vote, the GOP and the AIP, both fearing that a conservative rift will risk the chances of a liberal winning in 1972, vote to merge their parties and form a new Conservative party; a behind-the-scenes detail of the agreement is that President Wallace will choose a conservative Republican as his running mate in 1972, who will be unopposed for the Conservative nomination in 1976.  Many of the delegates expect this to be either Governor Ronald Reagan or Senator Buckley.

03-11-1971: President Wallace orders the simultaneous invasions of Cuba and North Korea.  Both of these actions will be vastly debated by historians throughout the next century.  Within two weeks, the fighting in both countries will be complete as both will hold free elections by the end of the year.
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06-17-1971: The United States begins construction on SDI and the lunar base, as well as a space station.  There are also plans for a new spacecraft, to be called the space shuttle, which is rumored to be powered by nuclear propulsion.  The American space program is more ambitious than ever.

09-28-1971: The elections in both North Korea and Cuba are met with success; Park Chung-Lee, President of South Korea is elected as President of Korea, and President Nguyen Van Thieu of South Vietnam is elected President of Vietnam.  Both are met with praise from the international capitalist community.  President Wallace begins to ponder China's relationship with the Soviet Union...

02-19-1972: President Wallace visits China.  He begins scheming with Chinese premier Mao Zedung on how to bring down the Soviet Union.  He also begins working on a plan which will tear Mongolia away from Soviet influence
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01-14-1970: President Wallace appoints former Vice President Richard Nixon to the Supreme Court to succeed retiring Justice Abe Fortas after an extremely long confirmation process, mainly due to the adjournment of the Congress for holiday recess.  He is confirmed easily, and President Wallace is praised for his ability to put politics behind him.  Privately, however, he mainly wanted to get Tricky Dick out of the political spotlight, so as to avoid having to pick him as his running mate in 1972, or to lose re-election due to a lukewarm endorsement from the conniving Nixon.

01-07-1972: President Wallace appoints Assistant Attorney General Antonin Scalia to the Supreme court, succeeding Justice Hugo Black, who had recently died.  He is confirmed by a vote that is mainly along party lines.

07-12-1972: Former Vice President and Senate Minority Leader Hubert Humphery is renominated for the office of President of the United States.  He vows to take on President Wallace's segregationism and his "handouts to the wealthiest Americans."  Senator George McGovern is nominated for Vice President
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08-21-1972: President Wallace is unanimously renominated by the Conservative Party for the Presidency of the United States.  He chooses Ronald Reagan as his running mate.  This was mainly due to his cross-party appeal; though Reagan is reluctant to "take the number two job to a number two man," he finally chooses to accept the nomination in order to prevent "that bastard Humphery from becoming our next president."



President Wallace and Governor Ronald Reagan on the campaign trail
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"Just four years ago, I asked you fine Americans if you were better off than you were eight years before.  Well now, I can assure you that you are better off than you were four years ago.  Man has journeyed into space, and slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch the face of God, and inflation is down to record lows.  We have also managed to balance the budget three out of the last four years.  Clearly, we still have more to get done, but you don't want more of the old leadership; we have thrown out tyrants and dictators, we have seen victory in Vietnam, Cuba, and North Korea.  If you go with my opponent, all we have worked for over the past four years will have been for nothing.  Thank you."

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Welcome back to Decision 72.  I'm Tom Brokaw, of NBC News, and yes, folks, if you're just joining us now, we can project that President George Wallace has been re-elected, by a landslide margin, as President of the United States.  Now this is the earliest we've ever projected for president.  President Wallace was just four years ago laughed at as a candidate. but through the debates he managed to pull off an upset.  And now, in the biggest upset in possibly election history, he has won re-election with the largest amount of popular and electoral votes ever, even carrying Senator Humphrey’s home state of Minnesota.

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United States House of Representatives elections, 1972:

Conservative: 281 (+17)
Democratic: 144 (-17)

Thanks to both President Wallace's coattails, lots of last-minute campaigning from Governor Reagan, and the help of the new governorships in redistricting, this cycle has greatly favored the Conservative Party

Speaker: Gerald R. Ford
Speaker-elect: James E. Carter

United States senate elections, 1972:

Conservative: 67 (+2)
Democratic: 33 (-2)

Majority Leader: Howard Baker
Majority Leader-elect: Harry F. Byrd, Jr.
Majority Whip: James L. Buckley

In terms of the President’s new Cabinet, only the office of Treasury Secretary would change; due to Bill Buckley’s election as New York governor, he needed a replacement; he chose Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker.
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01-22-1970: Two days after President Wallace and Vice President Reagan are sworn in, the Supreme Court decides in a 5-4 decision in favor of Wade in the landmark case Roe v. Wade, siting that the unborn had a constitutional right to live under the fourteenth amendment.  Many legal and political analysts site this as sparking the abortion debate throughout the nation.  Many believed that Justice Nixon would be in favor of Roe, but actually wrote the majority opinion in this case.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2011, 10:59:43 am »
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ITTL Wallace is much more moderate on the race issue, and focuses mostly on the Vietnam War, leaving him very popular with the American people.  If you wish I could change it for you, but he has Ronald Reagan as his running mate and the Buckleys campaigning in the northeast, plus he's been very uniting in his choices for appointments, bringing American conservatives together.
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2011, 02:23:39 am »
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ITTL Wallace is much more moderate on the race issue, and focuses mostly on the Vietnam War, leaving him very popular with the American people.  If you wish I could change it for you, but he has Ronald Reagan as his running mate and the Buckleys campaigning in the northeast, plus he's been very uniting in his choices for appointments, bringing American conservatives together.

No need to change the map because of me: it's your work, do what you want with it. My qualm is the magnitude of Wallace's victory, that's all.

Moreover, I don't think Wallace would govern as conservatively, if he was elected President - which is inferred in this timeline. He was a Democrat of the New Deal mold first and for most; in 1968 he campaigned for extra funding for social security and Medicare. He was a bigot, second; a champion of 'law and order', third. . .though not necessarily in that order.
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2011, 10:23:12 pm »
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Moreover, I don't think Wallace would govern as conservatively, if he was elected President - which is inferred in this timeline. He was a Democrat of the New Deal mold first and for most; in 1968 he campaigned for extra funding for social security and Medicare. He was a bigot, second; a champion of 'law and order', third. . .though not necessarily in that order.
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I took a bit of creative license; I don't disagree that IOTL he was different than in my TL, and I won't argue that he would do everything that he did in my TL.  I changed the election results; what I meant by that was if you thought that his margin of victory was too much for you to believe.  I made him electable, and slightly moderated his views on race, and there is still no busing (he's a bit more conservative than Nixon was IOTL); he's not a single-issue candidate ITTL, just spouting racism as he was in real life.
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